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> Its inappropriate to do any drinking at lunch, if you have work to return to. Wait, who are you to tell me I can't have wine or beer at lunch before going ba

by seszett 11y ago

> Its inappropriate to do any drinking at lunch, if you have work to return to. Wait, who are you to tell me I can't have wine or beer at lunch before going back to work? This sounds like pure moral judgement and that seems completely inappropriate to me. You could have said "it's inappropriate to do anything that prevents you from doing your work correctly", and that would have been fine, but please let me judge that by myself, because a lot of socially acceptable behaviours have as much influence on work efficiency, like not sleeping enough or being stressed out because of events not related to work.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Well, if I was your boss, that would be all I needed. I have no interest in letting you judge anything for yourself that impacts your performance. The effects of alcohol and other drugs are notorious for compromising that judgment. And by the time I can see effects in person, its way over the line for effective job performance. As others mention, some people have high tolerances for alcohol before showing any obvious symptoms. I maintain that critical job-related judgment skills are compromised long before that happens. So their 'tolerance' is a problem for me, the boss, not some excuse for them. My response: ban alcohol at lunch.
- pavel_lishin 11y ago
  > I have no interest in letting you judge anything for yourself that impacts your performance. How far does that extend? Should I let you monitor my sleep patterns? Are you going to enroll me in a smoking-cessation course before allowing me to work? Will there be mandatory coffee breaks? Will you take my phone away so that my family doesn't call me with upsetting news, thereby affecting my critical job-related judgment skills?
- seszett 11y ago
  > My response: ban alcohol at lunch. Well I'm glad I live in a country where bosses can't dictate what their employees eat at lunch, then. What next, ban onions and cheese because they give bad breath and that's unacceptable? Though since my boss drinks beer at lunch about as frequently as I do...
- drunkpotato 11y ago
  Got it. Don't work for Joe, terrible boss. Just one of many good life tips.
xlm1717 11y ago
>please let me judge that by myself If you are self-employed, fine. I'll let you judge that for yourself. Your potential clients would also probably judge that too, can't ask them not to. And if they don't like it, they'll take their business somewhere else. If you are not self-employed, you can't judge that for yourself. Your boss will judge that for yourself, your co-workers will judge that for yourself, and your company's clients will also judge that. I don't think that not sleeping enough and being stressed are "socially acceptable", as no one actually endorses these things. At the end of the day, your boss/clients likely won't care much about something being "socially acceptable" as much as something giving them an inferior product or costing them more money.
- pavel_lishin 11y ago
  > I don't think that not sleeping enough and being stressed are "socially acceptable", as no one actually endorses these things. Unless you're in your early 20s, working for a startup.
- xlm1717 11y ago
  Everyone complains about these things though.

by seszett 11y ago

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

Well, if I was your boss, that would be all I needed. I have no interest in letting you judge anything for yourself that impacts your performance. The effects of alcohol and other drugs are notorious for compromising that judgment. And by the time I can see effects in person, its way over the line for effective job performance. As others mention, some people have high tolerances for alcohol before showing any obvious symptoms. I maintain that critical job-related judgment skills are compromised long before that happens. So their 'tolerance' is a problem for me, the boss, not some excuse for them. My response: ban alcohol at lunch.

pavel_lishin 11y ago
> I have no interest in letting you judge anything for yourself that impacts your performance. How far does that extend? Should I let you monitor my sleep patterns? Are you going to enroll me in a smoking-cessation course before allowing me to work? Will there be mandatory coffee breaks? Will you take my phone away so that my family doesn't call me with upsetting news, thereby affecting my critical job-related judgment skills?
seszett 11y ago
> My response: ban alcohol at lunch. Well I'm glad I live in a country where bosses can't dictate what their employees eat at lunch, then. What next, ban onions and cheese because they give bad breath and that's unacceptable? Though since my boss drinks beer at lunch about as frequently as I do...
drunkpotato 11y ago
Got it. Don't work for Joe, terrible boss. Just one of many good life tips.

xlm1717 11y ago

>please let me judge that by myself If you are self-employed, fine. I'll let you judge that for yourself. Your potential clients would also probably judge that too, can't ask them not to. And if they don't like it, they'll take their business somewhere else. If you are not self-employed, you can't judge that for yourself. Your boss will judge that for yourself, your co-workers will judge that for yourself, and your company's clients will also judge that. I don't think that not sleeping enough and being stressed are "socially acceptable", as no one actually endorses these things. At the end of the day, your boss/clients likely won't care much about something being "socially acceptable" as much as something giving them an inferior product or costing them more money.

pavel_lishin 11y ago
> I don't think that not sleeping enough and being stressed are "socially acceptable", as no one actually endorses these things. Unless you're in your early 20s, working for a startup.
xlm1717 11y ago
Everyone complains about these things though.