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VW cars exceed legal emissions 40 times. There is a reason for no preventing to use this cars?

Someone1234 11y ago
They can be re-programmed to stay within emissions. The user just might feel the driving experience worsens as a result.
- sp332 11y ago
  Some of them will need new hardware to reduce NOx emissions in real-world driving conditions.
  - rockdoe 11y ago
    No other car makers get their emissions tested in real-world driving conditions, so that's irrelevant.
    - csours 11y ago
      They do now. http://www.autonews.com/article/20150929/OEM04/150929814/gms- http://www.autonews.com/article/20150929/OEM04/150929814/gms... new-diesel-pickups-first-to-get-extra-scrutiny-from-epa-carb
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Igglyboo 11y ago
I don't think the government can say "you were lied to about your car, stop using it" also VW can't force people to get the recall, why would you want to get a recall that worsens the performance of you car.
- choudanu4 11y ago
  Couldn't they force the hardware/software modifications when people go in for yearly inspections?
  - ams6110 11y ago
    Not all states have inspections.
- adrianN 11y ago
  The recall is mandatory for the consumers if they want to continue operating their car, at least here in Germany.
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- djb_hackernews 11y ago
  Of course they can say that. I think you are stating an opinion on this specific case and I'm sure you can imagine cases that may be a bit more extreme where you would reasonably say that the government shouldn't allow these vehicles on the road. But... I personally have the opinion that if these vehicles are polluting so far over the standards set as reported then they shouldn't be allowed to be driven or pay a "carbon tax" or be forced to get the upgrade, etc.
- rlpb 11y ago
  It's reasonable for governments to tell owners that they must get a software update or stop using their cars after some reasonable grace period while also forcing VW to compensate owners for their losses in doing this (eg. reduced performance). Essentially protect the environment as intended while getting VW to foot the bill.
brational 11y ago
Most older cars and plenty of current SUVs/trucks still put off worse emissions. Should they be banned from use as well?

They can be re-programmed to stay within emissions. The user just might feel the driving experience worsens as a result.

sp332 11y ago
Some of them will need new hardware to reduce NOx emissions in real-world driving conditions.
- rockdoe 11y ago
  No other car makers get their emissions tested in real-world driving conditions, so that's irrelevant.
  - csours 11y ago
    They do now. http://www.autonews.com/article/20150929/OEM04/150929814/gms- http://www.autonews.com/article/20150929/OEM04/150929814/gms... new-diesel-pickups-first-to-get-extra-scrutiny-from-epa-carb
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Igglyboo 11y ago

I don't think the government can say "you were lied to about your car, stop using it" also VW can't force people to get the recall, why would you want to get a recall that worsens the performance of you car.

choudanu4 11y ago
Couldn't they force the hardware/software modifications when people go in for yearly inspections?
- ams6110 11y ago
  Not all states have inspections.
adrianN 11y ago
The recall is mandatory for the consumers if they want to continue operating their car, at least here in Germany.
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djb_hackernews 11y ago
Of course they can say that. I think you are stating an opinion on this specific case and I'm sure you can imagine cases that may be a bit more extreme where you would reasonably say that the government shouldn't allow these vehicles on the road. But... I personally have the opinion that if these vehicles are polluting so far over the standards set as reported then they shouldn't be allowed to be driven or pay a "carbon tax" or be forced to get the upgrade, etc.
rlpb 11y ago
It's reasonable for governments to tell owners that they must get a software update or stop using their cars after some reasonable grace period while also forcing VW to compensate owners for their losses in doing this (eg. reduced performance). Essentially protect the environment as intended while getting VW to foot the bill.

brational 11y ago

Most older cars and plenty of current SUVs/trucks still put off worse emissions. Should they be banned from use as well?