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"the notion that America can close the learning gap with China or India..." Indian and Chinese students in America do as well or better than Indian and Chinese
by fiatmoney 11y ago
"the notion that America can close the learning gap with China or India..."
Indian and Chinese students in America do as well or better than Indian and Chinese students in their home countries on any measure you'd like to name.
For that matter the same is true of Mexican students in the US vs. in Mexico, European students in the US vs. in Europe, etc.
- dudul 11y agoCan you provide a source?
- fiatmoney 11y agoBy country: http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2012/pisa2012highlights_5a.asp http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2012/pisa2012highlights_... By ethnicity in the US: http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2012/pisa2012highlights_5e_1.asp http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2012/pisa2012highlights_...
- dudul 11y agoThanks. I don't think it really backs your claim that "[X] students in America do as well or better than [X] students in their home countries on any measure you'd like to name." but it's still interesting data.
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- jsvaughan 11y agothe learning benefit could be because of the change of scenery, not because one side is better
- mayneack 11y agoOr because they select for people that are able/willing to make a choice to move across the world/border.
- mikeash 11y agoIndeed. Shake a box of rocks for a while and you'll find the largest rocks at the top. It's not because the top makes rocks grow, or because moving to the top makes them bigger, it's simply that larger rocks move up more readily in this environment.
- witty_username 11y agoLiving in India, Indian schools are mostly worse than American ones—rat race, outdated curriculum, etc. (I don't think there's sex ed in schools even).
- philwelch 11y ago> (I don't think there's sex ed in schools even). Depending on the state, there isn't exactly sex ed in American schools either.
- lycidas 11y agoChinese and Indian students in America also have the benefit of being from some of the highest socioeconomic groups in America [0]. It is more a factor of the group's average wealth rather than the fact that they are foreign. [0] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...
- benihana 11y ago>It is more a factor of the group's average wealth rather than the fact that they are foreign. How do you know that for sure? Maybe their higher average wealth is a function of their success as immigrants, not the other way around.
- hugh4 11y agoOr the causation goes the other way, and they get rich because they're smart.
- andrewbinstock 11y ago>European students in the US vs. in Europe, I'd like to see stats for that. I strongly doubt that's true of European students.