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#3 is... a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theory bullshit. Let's have a look at the first entry. I'll probably get bored after a few of these, but... whatever.

#3 is... a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theory bullshit. Let's have a look at the first entry. I'll probably get bored after a few of these, but... whatever. Charge 1 - Leigh Alexander stands accused of writing an article that GG disagree with, and that many of them inexplicably interpreted as some kind of threat, or something. I don't know. The article was basically about how video games have become mainstream, the concept of a "gamer" demographic is largely meaningless, and developers and publishers need not, and should not, solely target everything at this narrow demographic. Charge 2 - She is accused of talking to her colleagues, possibly at other publications. She may have engaged in such crimes as discussing her work with others, and building a network of contacts. Y'know... journalism. Because apparently all journalism must be done in a vacuum. Charge 3 - She is accused to also doing other work, and talking about that other work on her personal social media accounts. Even though there's no evidence that she's done anything wrong as a journalist, she totally could have if she wanted to, and therefore can't be trusted, or something? At this point, I'm just bored. Most of the rest of the list is basically that Leigh is accused of having professional relationships with people in the games industry. Y'know, like every other games journalist - this whole professional networking thing is kind of how journalists get access to things. Same's true for journalists covering any other entertainment industry. Or politics. Or business. Or... I mean, repeatedly accusing a journalist of doing her job just seems utterly ridiculous. What else... There's an accusation of lying, which is included even though the accusation itself says that it was probably misinterpreted. A whole bunch of Twitter B.S. that nobody cares about. Some paranoid ramblings, and a whole bunch of other inconsequential crap that nobody cares about... So... That's the smoking gun? Really? > Even though most #GamerGate accounts were proven not to be harassers Wrong. There was no "proven" anywhere - just that there was a lot of harassment on Twitter that wasn't associated with GG, and a wider study only picked up a small number of GG-associated accounts. Which is something entirely different, despite what GG like to pretend.

mcphage 11y ago
MRS ALEXANDER DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT JOIN THE CRIMINAL COLLUSION NETWORK "linkedin.com"?
xlm1717 11y ago
I don't think it's a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theory bullshit. A lot of the items on that list are known and established facts. One of the ones that GG brings special attention to is the relationship between Nathan Grayson and Zoe Quinn, and how Grayson covered Quinn without revealing this relationship, a clear conflict of interest. To make it look worse Kyle Orland suggested to the mailing list that they not even cover news of this disclosure. [1] For his part, Kyle then went on to apologize [2], but if GG had not been a watchdog in gaming journalism ethics, we already had an idea of how the story was going to be spinned. [1] https://archive.is/NaHx0#selection-333.0-345.310 https://archive.is/NaHx0#selection-333.0-345.310 [2] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/addressing-allegations-of-collusion-among-gaming-journalists/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/addressing-allegations...
- SomeCallMeTim 11y ago
  >Grayson covered Quinn without revealing this relationship You're repeating lies. A quote from the article I linked above: >But Grayson never reviewed Depression Quest. He once wrote half a sentence about the game, before his relationship with Quinn ever started, but that's it. Critics of Quinn and Grayson have also raised concerns about this Kotaku article [1]—it was written before they started dating. This has been confirmed directly by Kotoku and Grayson on multiple occasions. Google it. Please repeat after me: There is no smoking gun. The entire GamerGate movement is based on lies, misogyny, and anti-feminism. Find a different hashtag if you care about journalism ethics, and stop only blaming the women. The journalist, in this case, was a man, but he wasn't doxed, just Quinn! In other cases it was the female journalists who were harassed. (Not that doxing is ever the right answer! And not that I should even have to explain that...) No, GG is clearly not about journalistic ethics. It's a group that's attempting to bully people into reporting only what they want to hear -- and they find it easier to bully the women. Charming, really. Find a new group to defend, or risk being painted with a rather nasty brush. [1] http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284 http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we...
  - Nadya 11y ago
    >The entire GamerGate movement is based on lies, misogyny, and anti-feminism. Not true. Although an initial lie may have sparked it - a raging fire isn't started without a lot of fuel lying around to keep it burning. >Find a different hashtag if you care about journalism ethics, and stop only blaming the women. We already did that. A different hashtag would do what exactly? Nothing. Other than causing a splinter group, confusion, and easier co-opting of the tag. Or should we go back to #5GuysBurgersAndFries and #Quinnspiracy? Those were things. Those are things separate from #GamerGate (hence the different tag). >The journalist, in this case, was a man, but he wasn't doxed, just Quinn In that particular case - and while doxing is wrong - don't pretend "only anti-GG" get doxed. [0] [1] Their is also a stark contrast between how the two sides blame each other. Anti-GG has no problem blaming GG in a heartbeat while GG blames third party trolls and not the opposing side because more likely than not - it's third party trolls. >No, GG is clearly not about journalistic ethics. Which is why countless media publishers have adopted or updated their ethical standards and practices from Oct-Jan of last year? Must be some sort of non-pressured, weird, coincidental timing that they all felt the need to disclose their ethical standards. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Complaints to the FTC even caused Kotaku and other publishers to add disclosure for affiliate linking. [7] Unless you're saying 2-7 have nothing whatsoever to do with #GG? I find that a bit of a stretch to believe. Their is also the donations and support from 4chan/GG towards TFYC [8] which Zoe Quinn tried to lambaste and media outlets refused to cover. How women-hating of #GG to support female devs when another female dev was shouting down at them. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2tbbkg/a_final_letter_to_gamergate_from_lizzyf620/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2tbbkg/a_fi... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOioaFpZ3tU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOioaFpZ3tU [2] http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Standards_and_Practices http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Standards_and_Practices [3] http://www.destructoid.com/a-word-on-ethics-280654.phtml http://www.destructoid.com/a-word-on-ethics-280654.phtml [4] http://www.gameranx.com/about/ http://www.gameranx.com/about/ [5] http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12223-The-Escapist-Publisher-Issues-Public-Statement-on-Gamergate http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/ed... [6] http://www.eurogamer.net/policies.php?view=how-we-work http://www.eurogamer.net/policies.php?view=how-we-work [7] http://techraptor.net/content/ftc-forces-gawker-make-disclosures-affiliate-links http://techraptor.net/content/ftc-forces-gawker-make-disclos... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fine_Young_Capitalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fine_Young_Capitalists

mcphage 11y ago

MRS ALEXANDER DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT JOIN THE CRIMINAL COLLUSION NETWORK "linkedin.com"?

xlm1717 11y ago

I don't think it's a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theory bullshit. A lot of the items on that list are known and established facts. One of the ones that GG brings special attention to is the relationship between Nathan Grayson and Zoe Quinn, and how Grayson covered Quinn without revealing this relationship, a clear conflict of interest. To make it look worse Kyle Orland suggested to the mailing list that they not even cover news of this disclosure. [1] For his part, Kyle then went on to apologize [2], but if GG had not been a watchdog in gaming journalism ethics, we already had an idea of how the story was going to be spinned. [1] https://archive.is/NaHx0#selection-333.0-345.310 https://archive.is/NaHx0#selection-333.0-345.310 [2] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/addressing-allegations-of-collusion-among-gaming-journalists/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/addressing-allegations...

SomeCallMeTim 11y ago
>Grayson covered Quinn without revealing this relationship You're repeating lies. A quote from the article I linked above: >But Grayson never reviewed Depression Quest. He once wrote half a sentence about the game, before his relationship with Quinn ever started, but that's it. Critics of Quinn and Grayson have also raised concerns about this Kotaku article [1]—it was written before they started dating. This has been confirmed directly by Kotoku and Grayson on multiple occasions. Google it. Please repeat after me: There is no smoking gun. The entire GamerGate movement is based on lies, misogyny, and anti-feminism. Find a different hashtag if you care about journalism ethics, and stop only blaming the women. The journalist, in this case, was a man, but he wasn't doxed, just Quinn! In other cases it was the female journalists who were harassed. (Not that doxing is ever the right answer! And not that I should even have to explain that...) No, GG is clearly not about journalistic ethics. It's a group that's attempting to bully people into reporting only what they want to hear -- and they find it easier to bully the women. Charming, really. Find a new group to defend, or risk being painted with a rather nasty brush. [1] http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284 http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we...
- Nadya 11y ago
  >The entire GamerGate movement is based on lies, misogyny, and anti-feminism. Not true. Although an initial lie may have sparked it - a raging fire isn't started without a lot of fuel lying around to keep it burning. >Find a different hashtag if you care about journalism ethics, and stop only blaming the women. We already did that. A different hashtag would do what exactly? Nothing. Other than causing a splinter group, confusion, and easier co-opting of the tag. Or should we go back to #5GuysBurgersAndFries and #Quinnspiracy? Those were things. Those are things separate from #GamerGate (hence the different tag). >The journalist, in this case, was a man, but he wasn't doxed, just Quinn In that particular case - and while doxing is wrong - don't pretend "only anti-GG" get doxed. [0] [1] Their is also a stark contrast between how the two sides blame each other. Anti-GG has no problem blaming GG in a heartbeat while GG blames third party trolls and not the opposing side because more likely than not - it's third party trolls. >No, GG is clearly not about journalistic ethics. Which is why countless media publishers have adopted or updated their ethical standards and practices from Oct-Jan of last year? Must be some sort of non-pressured, weird, coincidental timing that they all felt the need to disclose their ethical standards. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Complaints to the FTC even caused Kotaku and other publishers to add disclosure for affiliate linking. [7] Unless you're saying 2-7 have nothing whatsoever to do with #GG? I find that a bit of a stretch to believe. Their is also the donations and support from 4chan/GG towards TFYC [8] which Zoe Quinn tried to lambaste and media outlets refused to cover. How women-hating of #GG to support female devs when another female dev was shouting down at them. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2tbbkg/a_final_letter_to_gamergate_from_lizzyf620/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2tbbkg/a_fi... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOioaFpZ3tU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOioaFpZ3tU [2] http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Standards_and_Practices http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Standards_and_Practices [3] http://www.destructoid.com/a-word-on-ethics-280654.phtml http://www.destructoid.com/a-word-on-ethics-280654.phtml [4] http://www.gameranx.com/about/ http://www.gameranx.com/about/ [5] http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12223-The-Escapist-Publisher-Issues-Public-Statement-on-Gamergate http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/ed... [6] http://www.eurogamer.net/policies.php?view=how-we-work http://www.eurogamer.net/policies.php?view=how-we-work [7] http://techraptor.net/content/ftc-forces-gawker-make-disclosures-affiliate-links http://techraptor.net/content/ftc-forces-gawker-make-disclos... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fine_Young_Capitalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fine_Young_Capitalists