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My dad is a cab driver. I myself have a lot of experience managing cab business, I can tell you cab business works pretty much the same way. You can sign up wit

by kamaal 11y ago

My dad is a cab driver. I myself have a lot of experience managing cab business, I can tell you cab business works pretty much the same way. You can sign up with as many cab drivers you like and offer them as much business they can handle. Sooner or later they will find permanent paying customers and move on. Especially among elderly, kids and women. Its the standard in every industry. Once you've built your ground, you never like to go through a third party.

amorphid 11y ago
That's one big reason it's hard to scale a service business. Why maybe a fraction of X when you can make X?
- kamaal 11y ago
  Its not just paying commissions to the third party. If you are a good taxi driver, who keeps their car clean, provides bottled drinking water to customers, are punctual, polite, trustworthy etc you will get many people who would like to call you directly instead of going through a service like Uber. And along the way you would have met many customers who are exactly like you- polite, trustworthy and nice. It becomes a natural fit. Uber kind of services work because they are currently burning millions of investor money to subsidize your travel. Once they run out of money, you are back to the same thing again. Which is why some times you must do extra work for free, because it keeps people around you happy and in return they are indebted to do something in return for you(Recommend you, tip you, hire you etc)
  - untog 11y ago
    Taxi services are different though - you might be nowhere near your valued customer when they call. And they might be more inclined to take an "OK" driver rather than wait 30 minutes for you to get to them.
    - kamaal 11y ago
      >>you might be nowhere near your valued customer when they call Traveling adhoc without planning is only for single 20 year olds start up techies. People with families, elderly etc generally have to plan in advance if they decide to do something.
      - ViViDboarder 11y ago
        And even then there's an advantage to getting a ride from an app. You can track your driver. I can't count the times cabs just no showed when I was living in DC. Nearly missed a few flights.
  - pbreit 11y ago
    Wrong. On a gross margin basis, Uber is wildly profitable.
pbreit 11y ago
No, that's wrong everywhere I've lived and traveled. With non-recurring trips (pretty much everything except commuting), you almost never migrate to a single provider. The advantages of tapping into a pool of providers is too great. In house-cleaning, there are no advantages to tapping into a pool, and in fact people are leery of it.
- jpatokal 11y ago
  Consider the single largest market for limousine services: businesspeople traveling to and from airports. These people absolutely will pay extra for a reliable, no-surprises ride from a person they know, plus they know in advance exactly when they will travel. Uber offers little to no advantage for this group. Uber's advantage comes from catering really well to ad-hoc, short-hop travel, but this is a different market.
  - pbreit 11y ago
    Right. The person said "taxis". And the limo market is tiny compared to the Uber opportunity.
    - steveh73 11y ago
      Works for taxis too. An acquaintance of mine has regularly (once or twice a week) had to travel from his home to the airport, about a $100 fare each way. He's used the same taxi driver for about 10 years - knowing that either this driver (or someone the driver vouches for) will be on time every time. (taxi expenses are covered by his work but personal car travel is not, so he doesn't drive, go figure)
      - _delirium 11y ago
        I also know a good number of people who have a "regular" taxi driver. Mostly in southern Europe specifically, though. Sometimes it's because they have some connection to the driver (relative / friend-of-a-friend / friend-of-a-relative) so they want to give that person their business rather than a random driver. Other times it's just someone they got a recommendation for and like. Even some tourists do, if they're the kind of tourist who goes to the same place every summer (e.g. the same town in Crete).

by kamaal 11y ago

amorphid 11y ago

That's one big reason it's hard to scale a service business. Why maybe a fraction of X when you can make X?

kamaal 11y ago
Its not just paying commissions to the third party. If you are a good taxi driver, who keeps their car clean, provides bottled drinking water to customers, are punctual, polite, trustworthy etc you will get many people who would like to call you directly instead of going through a service like Uber. And along the way you would have met many customers who are exactly like you- polite, trustworthy and nice. It becomes a natural fit. Uber kind of services work because they are currently burning millions of investor money to subsidize your travel. Once they run out of money, you are back to the same thing again. Which is why some times you must do extra work for free, because it keeps people around you happy and in return they are indebted to do something in return for you(Recommend you, tip you, hire you etc)
- untog 11y ago
  Taxi services are different though - you might be nowhere near your valued customer when they call. And they might be more inclined to take an "OK" driver rather than wait 30 minutes for you to get to them.
  - kamaal 11y ago
    >>you might be nowhere near your valued customer when they call Traveling adhoc without planning is only for single 20 year olds start up techies. People with families, elderly etc generally have to plan in advance if they decide to do something.
    - ViViDboarder 11y ago
      And even then there's an advantage to getting a ride from an app. You can track your driver. I can't count the times cabs just no showed when I was living in DC. Nearly missed a few flights.
- pbreit 11y ago
  Wrong. On a gross margin basis, Uber is wildly profitable.

pbreit 11y ago

No, that's wrong everywhere I've lived and traveled. With non-recurring trips (pretty much everything except commuting), you almost never migrate to a single provider. The advantages of tapping into a pool of providers is too great. In house-cleaning, there are no advantages to tapping into a pool, and in fact people are leery of it.

jpatokal 11y ago
Consider the single largest market for limousine services: businesspeople traveling to and from airports. These people absolutely will pay extra for a reliable, no-surprises ride from a person they know, plus they know in advance exactly when they will travel. Uber offers little to no advantage for this group. Uber's advantage comes from catering really well to ad-hoc, short-hop travel, but this is a different market.
- pbreit 11y ago
  Right. The person said "taxis". And the limo market is tiny compared to the Uber opportunity.
  - steveh73 11y ago
    Works for taxis too. An acquaintance of mine has regularly (once or twice a week) had to travel from his home to the airport, about a $100 fare each way. He's used the same taxi driver for about 10 years - knowing that either this driver (or someone the driver vouches for) will be on time every time. (taxi expenses are covered by his work but personal car travel is not, so he doesn't drive, go figure)
    - _delirium 11y ago
      I also know a good number of people who have a "regular" taxi driver. Mostly in southern Europe specifically, though. Sometimes it's because they have some connection to the driver (relative / friend-of-a-friend / friend-of-a-relative) so they want to give that person their business rather than a random driver. Other times it's just someone they got a recommendation for and like. Even some tourists do, if they're the kind of tourist who goes to the same place every summer (e.g. the same town in Crete).