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But there's no real value in adding someone who plays this game to a watchlist. If analysts are discounting the value of membership to a watchlist because of t
by Laaw 11y ago
But there's no real value in adding someone who plays this game to a watchlist.
If analysts are discounting the value of membership to a watchlist because of the amount of noise such as what you're suggesting, then the watchlist isn't going to help the organization that's keeping it.
From a strictly practical standpoint, there is an incentive to keep watchlists small, focused, and accurate, otherwise they lose meaning.
- Zikes 11y agoBut there's already overwhelming evidence that those watchlists are not small, focused, or accurate. I think they serve a different purpose: to be able to manufacture an excuse when it is convenient. We're far enough past "innocent until proven guilty" that we've manufactured a plethora of new tools and processes to support nearly any unconstitutional actions against citizens.
- Laaw 11y agoAnd I think your comments are the defensive result of an emotional reaction to your helplessness in the face of an overpowering perceived adversary. When you create an us/them narrative, you might not be the only one who plays into it, just remember that.
- Zikes 11y agoI admit to a fair amount of emotionality in the face of a persistent and overwhelming attack on my privacy by my own government, and I have zero shame in that admission. Perhaps if more people played into that, we would not be in this situation.
- pavel_lishin 11y agoNone of what you said makes his/her comments wrong. You're just accusing him/her of being emotional, without addressing the substance.
- Laaw 11y agoI'm actually asserting there is no substance, just emotional rhetoric. I was further implying the conclusions weren't drawn with sound logic, so their validity is under question.
- Mickydtron 11y agoI think our watchlists are already past "small, focused, and accurate". edit: Zikes beat me to it, and said it better.
- bediger4000 11y agothere is an incentive to keep watchlists small, focused, and accurate I think there is no incentive to keep watch lists small or focused or accurate. In fact, there's a huge disincentive for that. If some name (or other identifying info) gets on a watch list, and then someone makes a judgement call to take that name/info off the list, and then the person identified by that name or info does something violent and/or stupid, whichever agency the judgement caller works for, and the call him/herself would come under enormous, very unpleasant scrutiny. The 9/11 thing about "failing to connect the dots" almost certainly weighs heavily on every one connected with watch lists. There's zero incentive for any outsider to call for a name or other info removal for exactly the same reason. What if...? becomes the single overriding concern.
- Laaw 11y agoThere's no value in a tag if it doesn't mean anything, and if membership on a watchlist is merely another way of saying "this person played a video game once", then analysts are going to discount membership to the watchlist.
- bediger4000 11y agoThe lists probably have no value to the analysts anyway. As you note, names/ID info are put on the list by numbskulls, not for any good reason. The reason the lists exist is to cover FBI and DHS bureaucratic ass if some long shot "terrorism" event happens - "Hey, they were on the watchlist - we connected those dots!"