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PRISM is the primary piece of evidence in support of direct collaboration, and frankly I'd hesitate to call their involvement coerced. Aside from PRISM, intel a

PRISM is the primary piece of evidence in support of direct collaboration, and frankly I'd hesitate to call their involvement coerced. Aside from PRISM, intel agencies have been mining Facebook for ages now, providing critical data.

linkregister 11y ago
Why do you hesitate to call their involvement coerced? Everything Facebook has done post-revelation has been pretty combative toward the program. Facebook has spent substantial time lobbying against SOPA/CISPA and related legislation. Facebook company officers even presented in front of Congress to protest the U.S. government's surveillance programs (since it negatively impacts business). All I read from your comment is unsubstantiated speculation. What's the basis of your assertion? Smearing an SV company on Hacker News shouldn't go unchallenged.
- cryoshon 11y ago
  http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/11/yahoo-ceo-mayer-jail-nsa-surveillance http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/11/yahoo-ceo-... ""He said after the news broke in the Guardian and the Washington Post about Prism, the government surveillance programme that targets major internet companies: "The government response was, 'Oh don't worry, we're not spying on any Americans.' Oh, wonderful: that's really helpful to companies trying to serve people around the world, and that's really going to inspire confidence in American internet companies." "I thought that was really bad," he said. Zuckerberg said Facebook and others were pushing successfully for more transparency. "We are not at the end of this. I wish that the government would be more proactive about communicating. We are not psyched that we had to sue in order to get this and we take it very seriously," he said."" Mostly seems concerned about losing money from abroad, being transparent, and getting better communications with the government. http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25952/56/ http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25952/56/ Enough evidence of substantial intentional collaboration to form a lawsuit in the EU. Then there's the most recent flap about Facebook supporting CISA, which would encode their relationship with the NSA into law.
  - linkregister 11y ago
    Your Zuckerberg quote literally supports my position and refutes yours. Starting a lawsuit isn't evidence of anything. I could sue you for using mind control on my cat. It won't mean that I have evidence or even standing.

linkregister 11y ago

Why do you hesitate to call their involvement coerced? Everything Facebook has done post-revelation has been pretty combative toward the program. Facebook has spent substantial time lobbying against SOPA/CISPA and related legislation. Facebook company officers even presented in front of Congress to protest the U.S. government's surveillance programs (since it negatively impacts business). All I read from your comment is unsubstantiated speculation. What's the basis of your assertion? Smearing an SV company on Hacker News shouldn't go unchallenged.

cryoshon 11y ago
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/11/yahoo-ceo-mayer-jail-nsa-surveillance http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/11/yahoo-ceo-... ""He said after the news broke in the Guardian and the Washington Post about Prism, the government surveillance programme that targets major internet companies: "The government response was, 'Oh don't worry, we're not spying on any Americans.' Oh, wonderful: that's really helpful to companies trying to serve people around the world, and that's really going to inspire confidence in American internet companies." "I thought that was really bad," he said. Zuckerberg said Facebook and others were pushing successfully for more transparency. "We are not at the end of this. I wish that the government would be more proactive about communicating. We are not psyched that we had to sue in order to get this and we take it very seriously," he said."" Mostly seems concerned about losing money from abroad, being transparent, and getting better communications with the government. http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25952/56/ http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25952/56/ Enough evidence of substantial intentional collaboration to form a lawsuit in the EU. Then there's the most recent flap about Facebook supporting CISA, which would encode their relationship with the NSA into law.
- linkregister 11y ago
  Your Zuckerberg quote literally supports my position and refutes yours. Starting a lawsuit isn't evidence of anything. I could sue you for using mind control on my cat. It won't mean that I have evidence or even standing.