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You seem to be replying to a comment which has very little in common with the one I wrote.

by philh 11y ago

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Huh. The Uber driver could rob you too; they could rape or murder. They could kidnap. They have, really, far more opportunities to harm you. But the ol' housekeeper is alone in getting assumed to be a thief. Probably this was not meant. But its been a hot button, the casual assumption that housekeepers are thieves, since forever. I guess I read that into the comment too readily.
- EdiX 11y ago
  Yes, the Uber driver could rob you or worse, but they would also be guaranteed to get caught, so they probably won't do it. I think you are picking on a rather objective and dispassionate observation about incentives to take a grandstanding against classism, I appreciate the sentiment but the execution is flawed.
  - zurn 11y ago
    Modeling the behaviour of personal assailants from the POV of their rational risk-reward expectations does not match reality very well. They are largely people who are not in control of their impulses.
    - EdiX 11y ago
      My impression is that it does for crimes committed against people the assailant is not related with.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    Guilty as charged. But those cold dispassionate observations can inject casual bias as well as heated comments. That was what was galling. The 'oh you know how the domestic help is always stealing stuff' injected casually was more than my bs-meter could handle.
    - jpatokal 11y ago
      ...except that your strawman there isn't even close to what philh actually said.
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        "With a cleaner, your possessions are in the hands of someone who might have plenty of incentive to steal your stuff and sell it. " Did we read the same post?
        philh 11y ago
        I said that a cleaner might have incentive to steal. You've turned this into "all housekeepers are thieves" and "the domestic help is always stealing stuff". That's not what I said, it's not what I meant, and it's not what I think.
        JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        I'm glad to hear that, and I believe it. What I'm very sad about is, its the first thing that's brought up whenever housekeeping is mentioned. The casual assumption that its a huge problem, happens all the time and is the major issue.

You seem to be replying to a comment which has very little in common with the one I wrote.

by philh 11y ago

You seem to be replying to a comment which has very little in common with the one I wrote.

Huh. The Uber driver could rob you too; they could rape or murder. They could kidnap. They have, really, far more opportunities to harm you. But the ol' housekeeper is alone in getting assumed to be a thief. Probably this was not meant. But its been a hot button, the casual assumption that housekeepers are thieves, since forever. I guess I read that into the comment too readily.

EdiX 11y ago
Yes, the Uber driver could rob you or worse, but they would also be guaranteed to get caught, so they probably won't do it. I think you are picking on a rather objective and dispassionate observation about incentives to take a grandstanding against classism, I appreciate the sentiment but the execution is flawed.
- zurn 11y ago
  Modeling the behaviour of personal assailants from the POV of their rational risk-reward expectations does not match reality very well. They are largely people who are not in control of their impulses.
  - EdiX 11y ago
    My impression is that it does for crimes committed against people the assailant is not related with.
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  Guilty as charged. But those cold dispassionate observations can inject casual bias as well as heated comments. That was what was galling. The 'oh you know how the domestic help is always stealing stuff' injected casually was more than my bs-meter could handle.
  - jpatokal 11y ago
    ...except that your strawman there isn't even close to what philh actually said.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      "With a cleaner, your possessions are in the hands of someone who might have plenty of incentive to steal your stuff and sell it. " Did we read the same post?
      - philh 11y ago
        I said that a cleaner might have incentive to steal. You've turned this into "all housekeepers are thieves" and "the domestic help is always stealing stuff". That's not what I said, it's not what I meant, and it's not what I think.
        JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        I'm glad to hear that, and I believe it. What I'm very sad about is, its the first thing that's brought up whenever housekeeping is mentioned. The casual assumption that its a huge problem, happens all the time and is the major issue.