> "I knew how to do this in the old system, this new stuff has so many bells and whistles it is impossible to get anything done." I can only guess you have no

> "I knew how to do this in the old system, this new stuff has so many bells and whistles it is impossible to get anything done." I can only guess you have not seen full stack laravel. Hey digging in 50 lines of stacktraces is recreation. And is almost impossible to get to the real sql code there only with grep.