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As I said before, OpenBSD prefers to move a little slow. This has saved us a lot of wasted effort chasing the latest fad, only to switch directions a year later

by jjoe 11y ago

As I said before, OpenBSD prefers to move a little slow. This has saved us a lot of wasted effort chasing the latest fad, only to switch directions a year later. At the same time, in order to stay relevant and not fall too far behind, we have to guess what’s a passing fad and what’s an inevitable change. "Slow" and "internet" don't go well together in a sentence. Can you imagine taking this "slow" approach as a startup? You'd be left behind in a jiffy! I guess a not-for-profit mentality shields you from obsolescence. That and the NSA has saved OpenBSD big time. More power to them!

eloy 11y ago
Slow is not bad. Try to make a revolution doesn't always change things in the long run. However, if you try evolution, things can be improved with small steps, but can achieve impressive results in the long run. The world is more than Silicon Valley startups. While everyone is still using OpenSSL, they made LibreSSL that is slowly taking over the world. For examle, Apple imported the project into their version of OpenSSH.
dmit 11y ago
This is a bit disingenuous and you probably know it. Not everything in the world is about startups, and OpenBSD would do just fine without the recent Internet security news. Can you really blame a project for being ahead of the curve on security? Is that really your point?
- jjoe 11y ago
  Startups aside, how come OpenBSD hasn't made strides in virtualization (not counting QEMU)? Virtualization isn't a fad. Can you imagine OpenBSD as a virtualization host? I'd switch in a heart beat. Can you really justify not being virtualization-ready in 2015/2016? I use Linux as a VM platform but I've donated to OpenBSD because I've always rooted for them. I'm just disappointed they haven't done much in this area.
  - vezzy-fnord 11y ago
    Don't move the goalposts. That said, there is the upcoming: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150831183826 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150831183826
  - ams6110 11y ago
    You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes. --Theo de Raadt
protomyth 11y ago
> "Slow" and "internet" don't go well together in a sentence. Can you imagine taking this "slow" approach as a startup? You'd be left behind in a jiffy! I guess a not-for-profit mentality shields you from obsolescence. That and the NSA has saved OpenBSD big time. Yes, I could imagine it. Your revolutionary idea can be implemented with slow, steady technology. I hear tell that a couple of guys even used an old language like Lisp to implement a startup. Might even be cool to implement boring techniques for storing passwords. Confusing revolutionary business objectives with revolutionary technology is probably a red flag.
- diqu 11y ago
  > I hear tell that a couple of guys even used an old language like Lisp to implement a startup. Just to specify this, reddit for example started out in Lisp and moved to Python, eventually: http://www.redditblog.com/2005/12/on-lisp.html http://www.redditblog.com/2005/12/on-lisp.html
  - protomyth 11y ago
    I was thinking of the founder of this message board, but reddit works too.

by jjoe 11y ago

eloy 11y ago

Slow is not bad. Try to make a revolution doesn't always change things in the long run. However, if you try evolution, things can be improved with small steps, but can achieve impressive results in the long run. The world is more than Silicon Valley startups. While everyone is still using OpenSSL, they made LibreSSL that is slowly taking over the world. For examle, Apple imported the project into their version of OpenSSH.

dmit 11y ago

This is a bit disingenuous and you probably know it. Not everything in the world is about startups, and OpenBSD would do just fine without the recent Internet security news. Can you really blame a project for being ahead of the curve on security? Is that really your point?

jjoe 11y ago
Startups aside, how come OpenBSD hasn't made strides in virtualization (not counting QEMU)? Virtualization isn't a fad. Can you imagine OpenBSD as a virtualization host? I'd switch in a heart beat. Can you really justify not being virtualization-ready in 2015/2016? I use Linux as a VM platform but I've donated to OpenBSD because I've always rooted for them. I'm just disappointed they haven't done much in this area.
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  Don't move the goalposts. That said, there is the upcoming: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150831183826 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150831183826
- ams6110 11y ago
  You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes. --Theo de Raadt

protomyth 11y ago

> "Slow" and "internet" don't go well together in a sentence. Can you imagine taking this "slow" approach as a startup? You'd be left behind in a jiffy! I guess a not-for-profit mentality shields you from obsolescence. That and the NSA has saved OpenBSD big time. Yes, I could imagine it. Your revolutionary idea can be implemented with slow, steady technology. I hear tell that a couple of guys even used an old language like Lisp to implement a startup. Might even be cool to implement boring techniques for storing passwords. Confusing revolutionary business objectives with revolutionary technology is probably a red flag.

diqu 11y ago
> I hear tell that a couple of guys even used an old language like Lisp to implement a startup. Just to specify this, reddit for example started out in Lisp and moved to Python, eventually: http://www.redditblog.com/2005/12/on-lisp.html http://www.redditblog.com/2005/12/on-lisp.html
- protomyth 11y ago
  I was thinking of the founder of this message board, but reddit works too.