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I've been experimenting with nootropics lately, and I think taurine and L-Theanine can help you greatly, with very low risk of side effects.

by jeremyt 11y ago

jeremyt 11y ago
Why the downvotes? Look them up. L-Theanine is in green tea and taurine is in red bulls. Maybe they don't help, but they noticeably reduce anxiety in me.
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- mcnamaratw 11y ago
  Some folks here use downvote when they disagree, not to indicate that something is wrong with the comment. It helps in creating groupthink, because nobody likes being downvoted.
  - yarou 11y ago
    I wouldn't go so far as to say the fear of being downvoted leads to groupthink. I mean, why would you care if someone disagrees with your comment? That really wouldn't lead you to self-censor. Unless you had something important at stake, like reputation, which would only happen if your handle on here was linked to your real life name.
  - lotharbot 11y ago
    pg has said on several occasions that downvoting for disagreement is OK. Personally, I use it not for mere disagreement, but for "I want HN to have less comments like this" -- things like gratuitous errors, gratuitous negativity, unneeded incivility, empty comments like "I agree", and especially comments that just repeat talking points without adding any original thought or substance.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      He said it once. He also said that downvoting for disagreement is a problem - that's why comment scores are no longer shown.
      - lotharbot 11y ago
        He said it at least 3 times: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 "I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 "Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 "IIRC we first had this conversation about a month after launch. Downvotes have always been used to express disagreement. Or more precisely, a negative score has: users seem not to downvote something they disagree with if it already has a sufficiently negative score." I'm not aware of a comment where he said downvoting for disagreement is a problem. I recall comments about gratuitous negativity, and comments about how certain excessively rude comments were getting upvoted when they should be downvoted. But it's possible I'm behind the times on that front.
        DanBC 11y ago
        Thanks for those! I've added them to my list.
      - Mz 11y ago
        I can't cite sources, but the reason comment scores are no longer shown was because having comment scores was getting pg dragged into chest-beating karma competitions, so he hid the scores to have to deal personally with less of that. Having no scores showing prevents the scores from being a way that each "side" on an argument can keep score of "who is winning" so upvotes don't fuel those kinds of ego-based arguments anymore. It was effective in getting him what he wanted, though it was decried by many people for depriving them of information concerning comment quality that they had previously valued.
- socially-awk 11y ago
  You are diagnosing and recommending medical treatment to a complete stranger based on a comment on an internet forum. Worse, you're doing so with all the experience and wisdom of an avid googler of nootropics. Getting shitfaced on beer and Scotch works for some people as they self-medicate their social anxiety. For some people that turns from harmless social drinking to alcoholism and can destroy their lives. In this particular case, excessive energy drink consumption (I personally tend to self-medicate with coffee to avoid the sugar in red bulls) can lead to heart attacks, high blood pressure and associated complications. "Taurine is involved in a number of crucial physiological processes. However, its role in these processes is not clearly understood and the influence of high taurine doses on these processes is uncertain" L-Theanine has more studies and is slightly better understood, but there still have not been full human trials and studies sufficient for you to provide medial information to a stranger. Advancing a supplement as a cure can be harmful even if the supplement is harmless. If a person takes it for a cure instead of, say, talking to a therapist/doctor/psychologist, they could be missing out on an approach that actually DOES help. You may be familiar with Steve Jobs who delayed medical treatment for his cancer in an effort to use "alternative" cures.
  - jeremyt 11y ago
    Hey, you know what, it goes both ways. Just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean that it's safe and effective. And, conversely, just because something isn't approved by the FDA doesn't mean it isn't safe and effective. There isn't something magical about a clinical trial that suddenly removes all doubt about a substance. And this magical government agency isn't infallible, and has frankly made mistakes, some of them pretty major, in the past. Let me share something with you. I've been suffering from severe RSI for close to 13 years. I've seen about five different doctors; I've had nerve conduction tests; I've had three rounds of physical therapy. Nothing works. I keep going back to the doctor, and they keep assigning physical therapy. Do you know why? Because, it's the only approved treatment that they can offer. Most of the doctors that I've seen refuse to even talk about anything else. So I go out on my own, and I do some research, and I start trying things. Some herbal supplements, some alternative treatments. And you know what? This thing called trigger point massage therapy, in the span of about four months, improved my symptoms about 80%. I also found that B vitamin supplements helped with the nerve tingling issues. And that was several years ago and I'm still almost completely functional. If I listened to people like you, I'd still be practically incapacitated and unable to support myself. I think he's probably intelligent enough to look into any suggestions himself. After all, that's why people have ultimate control over their medical care. You're just being closed minded and pedantic, and your lecture on medical ethics is naïve. So, if I may, get off your fucking high horse. It's not like I'm telling this guy to go cut his left arm off. I'm basically doing the equivalent of telling him to go drink a bunch of cups of green tea and try a supplement of a compound that's so safe that it's approved for human consumption without a prescription. If it was dangerous, your precious FDA would yank it off the shelves in five minutes, right? And if he tries my suggestion and it relieves his symptoms, even a little bit (even if it's placebo), then it's worth it. By all means, go see a doctor, but don't assume that doctors are all-knowing and all powerful and they are aware of and can prescribe the perfect treatment for your illness. /edit I'll add that this is what happens when you leave mental health treatment exclusively to doctors. Hammer; nail, indeed. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/23/study-two-thirds-patients-anti-depressants-not-depressed/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/23/study-two...

I've been experimenting with nootropics lately, and I think taurine and L-Theanine can help you greatly, with very low risk of side effects.

by jeremyt 11y ago

I've been experimenting with nootropics lately, and I think taurine and L-Theanine can help you greatly, with very low risk of side effects.

jeremyt 11y ago

Why the downvotes? Look them up. L-Theanine is in green tea and taurine is in red bulls. Maybe they don't help, but they noticeably reduce anxiety in me.

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mcnamaratw 11y ago
Some folks here use downvote when they disagree, not to indicate that something is wrong with the comment. It helps in creating groupthink, because nobody likes being downvoted.
- yarou 11y ago
  I wouldn't go so far as to say the fear of being downvoted leads to groupthink. I mean, why would you care if someone disagrees with your comment? That really wouldn't lead you to self-censor. Unless you had something important at stake, like reputation, which would only happen if your handle on here was linked to your real life name.
- lotharbot 11y ago
  pg has said on several occasions that downvoting for disagreement is OK. Personally, I use it not for mere disagreement, but for "I want HN to have less comments like this" -- things like gratuitous errors, gratuitous negativity, unneeded incivility, empty comments like "I agree", and especially comments that just repeat talking points without adding any original thought or substance.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    He said it once. He also said that downvoting for disagreement is a problem - that's why comment scores are no longer shown.
    - lotharbot 11y ago
      He said it at least 3 times: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 "I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 "Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 "IIRC we first had this conversation about a month after launch. Downvotes have always been used to express disagreement. Or more precisely, a negative score has: users seem not to downvote something they disagree with if it already has a sufficiently negative score." I'm not aware of a comment where he said downvoting for disagreement is a problem. I recall comments about gratuitous negativity, and comments about how certain excessively rude comments were getting upvoted when they should be downvoted. But it's possible I'm behind the times on that front.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        Thanks for those! I've added them to my list.
    - Mz 11y ago
      I can't cite sources, but the reason comment scores are no longer shown was because having comment scores was getting pg dragged into chest-beating karma competitions, so he hid the scores to have to deal personally with less of that. Having no scores showing prevents the scores from being a way that each "side" on an argument can keep score of "who is winning" so upvotes don't fuel those kinds of ego-based arguments anymore. It was effective in getting him what he wanted, though it was decried by many people for depriving them of information concerning comment quality that they had previously valued.
socially-awk 11y ago
You are diagnosing and recommending medical treatment to a complete stranger based on a comment on an internet forum. Worse, you're doing so with all the experience and wisdom of an avid googler of nootropics. Getting shitfaced on beer and Scotch works for some people as they self-medicate their social anxiety. For some people that turns from harmless social drinking to alcoholism and can destroy their lives. In this particular case, excessive energy drink consumption (I personally tend to self-medicate with coffee to avoid the sugar in red bulls) can lead to heart attacks, high blood pressure and associated complications. "Taurine is involved in a number of crucial physiological processes. However, its role in these processes is not clearly understood and the influence of high taurine doses on these processes is uncertain" L-Theanine has more studies and is slightly better understood, but there still have not been full human trials and studies sufficient for you to provide medial information to a stranger. Advancing a supplement as a cure can be harmful even if the supplement is harmless. If a person takes it for a cure instead of, say, talking to a therapist/doctor/psychologist, they could be missing out on an approach that actually DOES help. You may be familiar with Steve Jobs who delayed medical treatment for his cancer in an effort to use "alternative" cures.
- jeremyt 11y ago
  Hey, you know what, it goes both ways. Just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean that it's safe and effective. And, conversely, just because something isn't approved by the FDA doesn't mean it isn't safe and effective. There isn't something magical about a clinical trial that suddenly removes all doubt about a substance. And this magical government agency isn't infallible, and has frankly made mistakes, some of them pretty major, in the past. Let me share something with you. I've been suffering from severe RSI for close to 13 years. I've seen about five different doctors; I've had nerve conduction tests; I've had three rounds of physical therapy. Nothing works. I keep going back to the doctor, and they keep assigning physical therapy. Do you know why? Because, it's the only approved treatment that they can offer. Most of the doctors that I've seen refuse to even talk about anything else. So I go out on my own, and I do some research, and I start trying things. Some herbal supplements, some alternative treatments. And you know what? This thing called trigger point massage therapy, in the span of about four months, improved my symptoms about 80%. I also found that B vitamin supplements helped with the nerve tingling issues. And that was several years ago and I'm still almost completely functional. If I listened to people like you, I'd still be practically incapacitated and unable to support myself. I think he's probably intelligent enough to look into any suggestions himself. After all, that's why people have ultimate control over their medical care. You're just being closed minded and pedantic, and your lecture on medical ethics is naïve. So, if I may, get off your fucking high horse. It's not like I'm telling this guy to go cut his left arm off. I'm basically doing the equivalent of telling him to go drink a bunch of cups of green tea and try a supplement of a compound that's so safe that it's approved for human consumption without a prescription. If it was dangerous, your precious FDA would yank it off the shelves in five minutes, right? And if he tries my suggestion and it relieves his symptoms, even a little bit (even if it's placebo), then it's worth it. By all means, go see a doctor, but don't assume that doctors are all-knowing and all powerful and they are aware of and can prescribe the perfect treatment for your illness. /edit I'll add that this is what happens when you leave mental health treatment exclusively to doctors. Hammer; nail, indeed. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/23/study-two-thirds-patients-anti-depressants-not-depressed/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/23/study-two...