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They don't give a shit that you don't care. From their perspective, you don't get to have a peaceful middle class life if they don't get to have any peace. Fai

They don't give a shit that you don't care. From their perspective, you don't get to have a peaceful middle class life if they don't get to have any peace. Fair enough?

Kalium 11y ago
Fair enough, but I think what they get from me isn't actually what they want. EDIT: To clarify, I cared about what they wanted right up to this point.
- littletimmy 11y ago
  If "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is not guaranteed for these rioters by the state, then there is no social contract. In the absence of a social contract, the rioters are justified in raping, pillaging, and murdering to their heart's content. How do you not see that the rioters are justified?
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    "Raping, pillaging, and murdering" is never "justified", period, end of story.
    - littletimmy 11y ago
      If and only if there exists a social contract. Without it, man exists in state of perpetual war where anything goes.
      - Karunamon 11y ago
        They very idea of a "social contract" is a model that implies a state with authority over its citizens. Somehow, I don't think people automatically regress to "perpetual war" without the existence of a state. And using words like "justified" to describe regressive, destructive behavior is utter nonsense.
  - Kalium 11y ago
    I fail to see how rewarding raping, pillaging, and murdering will rationally lead to less of these things.
tzs 11y ago
The rioters usually are not rioting in middle class neighborhoods. They usually are rioting in poor neighborhoods--and those usually aren't their neighborhoods. The way it usually works is that you have people from a neighborhood protesting, fairly peacefully, about something they are upset with that occurred in their community, and then outsiders come in and turn it into a riot. The people usually most harmed by the rioters are the poor people who live in the neighborhoods the rioters trashed. They are the ones who have to take long bus trips to go shopping because the stores they could walk to got destroyed. They are the ones who will be paying the higher prices when those stores re-open and need to pay off their debt from rebuilding.

They don't give a shit that you don't care. From their perspective, you don't get to have a peaceful middle class life if they don't get to have any peace. Fair enough?

Kalium 11y ago

Fair enough, but I think what they get from me isn't actually what they want. EDIT: To clarify, I cared about what they wanted right up to this point.

littletimmy 11y ago
If "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is not guaranteed for these rioters by the state, then there is no social contract. In the absence of a social contract, the rioters are justified in raping, pillaging, and murdering to their heart's content. How do you not see that the rioters are justified?
- Karunamon 11y ago
  "Raping, pillaging, and murdering" is never "justified", period, end of story.
  - littletimmy 11y ago
    If and only if there exists a social contract. Without it, man exists in state of perpetual war where anything goes.
    - Karunamon 11y ago
      They very idea of a "social contract" is a model that implies a state with authority over its citizens. Somehow, I don't think people automatically regress to "perpetual war" without the existence of a state. And using words like "justified" to describe regressive, destructive behavior is utter nonsense.
- Kalium 11y ago
  I fail to see how rewarding raping, pillaging, and murdering will rationally lead to less of these things.

tzs 11y ago

The rioters usually are not rioting in middle class neighborhoods. They usually are rioting in poor neighborhoods--and those usually aren't their neighborhoods. The way it usually works is that you have people from a neighborhood protesting, fairly peacefully, about something they are upset with that occurred in their community, and then outsiders come in and turn it into a riot. The people usually most harmed by the rioters are the poor people who live in the neighborhoods the rioters trashed. They are the ones who have to take long bus trips to go shopping because the stores they could walk to got destroyed. They are the ones who will be paying the higher prices when those stores re-open and need to pay off their debt from rebuilding.