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My first post here was very simple. Someone needs to show an actual "entire new pie". No one here has done that yet. They have only said that my idea of "entir

My first post here was very simple. Someone needs to show an actual "entire new pie". No one here has done that yet. They have only said that my idea of "entire new pie" is incorrect (while couching that it is actually probably correct). How can I know the difference between my meaning and yours if you are unable to produce an instance of what you are talking about? >There are (probably) fundamental limits to the economy. That's a different topic than the one the rest of us are talking about, though. The topic you are all talking about is subsumed by the more fundamental limits (saulrh even explicitly referred to this in their OP). If there are limits, then there is a notion of fairness. The original premise of saulrh's argument was that "fairness" wasn't useful because the pie is not fixed (even though it is incorrectly [according to saulrh's OP] perceived to be). I also think that there may not only be universal (or inter-universal [or other])) limits, but there may be local limits as well. For instance, once I create an entire new pie, where does it go? It would need to displace some thing, even if it's just atmospheric molecules.

AnimalMuppet 11y ago
> How can I know the difference between my meaning and yours if you are unable to produce an instance of what you are talking about? Take the US economy of 1900 as "the pie". The US economy as of 2015 is more than double that, even after accounting for inflation and population growth. That is what the rest of us are talking about when we say "an entire new pie". As for the rest, you seem to be deliberately (and needlessly) nitpicky and argumentative, and I'm done with this conversation.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  Probably for the best, as I am near positive that you have not been able to define "the economy", or "economy", even though you use it nearly every sentence. This makes it seem like you have no idea what you are talking about. >Take the US economy of 1900 as "the pie". The US economy as of 2015 is more than double that, even after accounting for inflation and population growth. See, you are talking about two different things. There are very few people alive today who were alive in 1900. So, an "entire new pie" takes 115 years to make? Now I will be you: `But, jsprogrammer, didn't saulrh claim, "They're happier about throwing away chunks of pie than they are about getting an entire new pie to split up.", in their OP?` Edit: My only real point here is that "entire new pie" is a bankrupt concept. It has no real substance. There is "stuff we can do to improve things", but those have costs (and I'm not talking about monetary).

AnimalMuppet 11y ago

> How can I know the difference between my meaning and yours if you are unable to produce an instance of what you are talking about? Take the US economy of 1900 as "the pie". The US economy as of 2015 is more than double that, even after accounting for inflation and population growth. That is what the rest of us are talking about when we say "an entire new pie". As for the rest, you seem to be deliberately (and needlessly) nitpicky and argumentative, and I'm done with this conversation.

jsprogrammer 11y ago
Probably for the best, as I am near positive that you have not been able to define "the economy", or "economy", even though you use it nearly every sentence. This makes it seem like you have no idea what you are talking about. >Take the US economy of 1900 as "the pie". The US economy as of 2015 is more than double that, even after accounting for inflation and population growth. See, you are talking about two different things. There are very few people alive today who were alive in 1900. So, an "entire new pie" takes 115 years to make? Now I will be you: `But, jsprogrammer, didn't saulrh claim, "They're happier about throwing away chunks of pie than they are about getting an entire new pie to split up.", in their OP?` Edit: My only real point here is that "entire new pie" is a bankrupt concept. It has no real substance. There is "stuff we can do to improve things", but those have costs (and I'm not talking about monetary).