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Glad that there's a discussion. It would help humanity to also give enough focus on boy child development so that we could save their future, avoid the crimes t
by enlightenedfool 11y ago
Glad that there's a discussion. It would help humanity to also give enough focus on boy child development so that we could save their future, avoid the crimes they commit and their languishing in jails.
- jbeja 11y agoFeminist?
- forrestthewoods 11y agoI've always wondered how much of the gap comes from a near total lack of male teachers in K-5.
- cperciva 11y agoProbably quite a lot. I'm reminded of a study I read a year or two ago which looked at academic performance in high school; girls received considerably higher class marks on average. However, this effect vanished when they took standardized tests ... and it also vanished when they had male teachers. Whether it's teaching style, the teacher acting as a role model, or something else, I don't know; but gender definitely makes a difference in teaching.
- woah 11y agoWould there be a suspicion that this was because of sexism, if the genders were reversed?
- comrh 11y agoIt still could be sexism, it's a gender neutral term even though it is mostly applicable to women.
- wpietri 11y agoI was wondering the same thing. It might be gender, but it could also be a strongly gender-focused society.
- htns 11y agoIt's actually a global phenomenon. Boys are performing worse in most of the Western world as well as much of the rest. When there are similar issues in the US, Japan, and Scandinavia you can rule out many cultural aspects as the cause.
- XorNot 11y agoThis is news to me. The results I've seen have always uniformly suggested that low socioeconomic status tends to impact the outcomes of young men more then women, and smoothes out for the middle and upper classes. Which is hardly surprising.
- htns 11y agoI guess this depends on what you consider low socioeconomic status. There is also a disparity in tertiary education. Women have higher enrollment and completion rates and thus get more degrees, even though sex ratio is skewed towards boys at birth. For example in 2010 in the Netherlands (from http://barrolee.com/ http://barrolee.com/) 45% of women aged 30-34 have some tertiary education and 31% have completed tertiary education (31 / 45 = 69%) whereas the male statistics are 39% and 25% (25 / 39 = 64%). This is then offset by women working fewer hours per week (from Eurostat): in the Netherlands men average only 35 hours per week, and women only 25. Dutch working hours are a little extreme, but the general trend is worldwide.
- wpietri 11y agoI could rule out cultural aspects. If I wanted to ignore the long history of gendered culture in both places. As well as centuries of male dominance.
- forrestthewoods 11y agoI've come to accept that people simply like people that look like them. And there's nothing wrong with that. Women in tech is important. Minority representation is important. And yes positive white male role models for little suburban straight white American boys is important.
- oldmanjay 11y agoYou know what happens when everything is important, right?
- aaaaaa1121 11y agoLess discrimination?
- RyanZAG 11y agoEverything really is important though. If we push the guy who will cure cancer out of the system because he is white and male, then everyone who is not white and male loses out just as much. Obviously pushing out a Latino girl who would cure cancer would be equally bad. But the key words here are 'equally bad'. Equally important.
- anon4 11y agoYou give equal time share to everything?
- jacalata 11y agoPeople aim for a diverse group that roughly reflects society instead of partitioning industries/jobs by randomly chosen personal characteristics?
- bsder 11y agoI think you are looking for something voluntary when that is almost certainly not the case. 1) A friend of mine once astutely commented that the diagnosis for ADHD was basically "middle class with behaviors which annoy female schoolteachers." 2) Boys tend to challenge authority from teens to early 20's to try and work out their place in the world. Most male teachers just roll with it until they have to make a sarcastic, embarrassing remark which short circuits it (never heckle a teacher or a stand-up comic--they've seen it all before). Female teachers tend to react more strongly. I suspect its a physical thing--boys start getting problematically large for most women about 7th or 8th grade and if, as a female, you don't nip it in the bud hard and fast, you can lose control over the situation. 3) Boys need male role models just as women need female role models. 4) Male teachers don't tend to view approval by their students as something useful or desirable (in the case of approval by the female students--it's downright dangerous). The better female teachers are in the same boat, but there are a LOT of female teachers that actively try to gain their student's approval. If we stew all that together with an absence of male teachers, I suspect that you have more than enough unconscious bias to account for everything.
- emsy 11y ago> I think you are looking for something voluntary when that is almost certainly not the case. Your parent post never argued that it was voluntary, but contemplated if it would be perceived to be voluntary sexism if the genders were reveresed.
- XorNot 11y ago(1) doesn't apply to the actual results of the study reported, which finds the (oft-found) effect that boys from low socioeconomic groups (not the middle class) are disproportionately disadvantaged compared to their female peers. The usual explanation tends to be that the outs in progression to university-level education are much more available to young men than women overall, as well as the worst excesses of lost potential (i.e. gang membership and fatalities are disproportionately male). (2) demands actual evidence, since the implication that male teachers will, what? allow things to escalate to physical violence? Hardly belies any real improvement in teaching outcomes. (4) also demands actual evidence.
- gaius 11y agoOne of the teaching unions here in the UK was asked why they weren't doing more to get men into teaching. They replied that that was sexist as it implied that female teachers weren't doing a good enough job! You can't win.
- federico3 11y ago"win"?
- ionised 11y agoPlease everybody, perhaps?
- Nadya 11y ago"Win" means come out of the argument as "not a sexist". We need more female teachers -> "Why? Is teaching a female job? Fucking sexist!" We need more male teachers -> "Why? Are female teachers not good enough? Fucking sexist!" Lose-lose scenario. Therefore you can't "win".
- Spiritus 11y agoWhat's K-5?
- vacri 11y agoKindergarten to Grade 5
- pavornyoh 11y ago>It would help humanity to also give enough focus on boy child development so that we could save their future, avoid the crimes they commit and their languishing in jails. You are right. I saw this show on CNN a few days ago and it was sad how these people have to re-learn basic things. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/us/prison-reform-overview/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/us/prison-reform-overview/
- tajen 11y agoFor the statistics: In French prisons there are 3,5% of women.