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2. "...cosmic hippies man -" We are not hippies (there are some) but we have to struggle to get permission to remove a beaver dam even if it is flooding our hom

by J3L2404 17y ago

2. "...cosmic hippies man -" We are not hippies (there are some) but we have to struggle to get permission to remove a beaver dam even if it is flooding our home, and we are far from ADVANCED! The reasons for noncontact may be as beyond our comprehension as a sump pump is to a beaver. 3. Don't get too attached to current favorite theories-Dark Matter-Dark Energy-etc(massive fudge factor) because they are always subject to reinterpretation when new data is uncovered. "Difficult to see, Always in motion the future is."

thaumaturgy 17y ago
Ridiculous Yoda quotes aside... Which "we" are you referring to? Your idealized American conservationist, Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians? Tibetans? Chinese? North Koreans? Australians? Indians? Nigerians? There are many human cultures on our planet which haven't created bureaucracy preventing them from taking advantage of natural resources, and some of them are as technologically advanced as any other culture on our planet.
- J3L2404 17y ago
  I'm sorry you missed the point. I think I offended your sensibilities, but I was referring to all mankind and how we do care about other forms of life and propose that more advanced civilizations would even more so.
gwern 17y ago
Said beaver dam is filtering a river bearing thousands of chemicals and substances foreign to it before man; is constructed of trees which flourish in the area because of man - where it isn't using outright man-made ingredients like plastics; and supports a pond with alien invaders or just smaller species (because of the excess heat caused by the lack of forest). And this isn't even trying very hard for examples of how even 'natural' features are unnatural and modified for our convenience. Radionuclides are a signature of man's presence that will never go away. > 3. Don't get too attached to current favorite theories-Dark Matter-Dark Energy-etc(massive fudge factor) because they are always subject to reinterpretation when new data is uncovered. And what does dark energy and other fudge factors relating to the overall structure of the universe have to do with narrow models of stellar evolution and the inevitable supernovae of any stars over the Chandrasekhar limit? Either admit it's baseless speculation (and not even bad humor), or provide an example of a star blowing when our equations say it shouldn't.
- J3L2404 17y ago
  "It's just surprising from conventional theory that such a star exploded." http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/23/star-supernova.html http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/23/star-supernova.html

by J3L2404 17y ago

thaumaturgy 17y ago

Ridiculous Yoda quotes aside... Which "we" are you referring to? Your idealized American conservationist, Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians? Tibetans? Chinese? North Koreans? Australians? Indians? Nigerians? There are many human cultures on our planet which haven't created bureaucracy preventing them from taking advantage of natural resources, and some of them are as technologically advanced as any other culture on our planet.

J3L2404 17y ago
I'm sorry you missed the point. I think I offended your sensibilities, but I was referring to all mankind and how we do care about other forms of life and propose that more advanced civilizations would even more so.

gwern 17y ago

Said beaver dam is filtering a river bearing thousands of chemicals and substances foreign to it before man; is constructed of trees which flourish in the area because of man - where it isn't using outright man-made ingredients like plastics; and supports a pond with alien invaders or just smaller species (because of the excess heat caused by the lack of forest). And this isn't even trying very hard for examples of how even 'natural' features are unnatural and modified for our convenience. Radionuclides are a signature of man's presence that will never go away. > 3. Don't get too attached to current favorite theories-Dark Matter-Dark Energy-etc(massive fudge factor) because they are always subject to reinterpretation when new data is uncovered. And what does dark energy and other fudge factors relating to the overall structure of the universe have to do with narrow models of stellar evolution and the inevitable supernovae of any stars over the Chandrasekhar limit? Either admit it's baseless speculation (and not even bad humor), or provide an example of a star blowing when our equations say it shouldn't.

J3L2404 17y ago
"It's just surprising from conventional theory that such a star exploded." http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/23/star-supernova.html http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/23/star-supernova.html