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Yeah hold on let me fire up Opera. No. What do you suggest? Compile Chromium from source?

by EC1 11y ago

coldtea 11y ago
Firefox. Explorer. Safari. All three don't make their money off of data-mining / ad revenue. Not that I'm advocating for them (I use Chrome myself), but those fit what the parent suggested.
- Confusion 11y ago
  You should really read up on where Mozilla's money comes from. See the financing section of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation
  - coldtea 11y ago
    From selling its "default search engine" spot -- I'm on this web business professionally since 1995, I know that. That's not direct ad sales and Mozilla wasn't created with the specific purposes to sell ads or collect private information, nor is owned by an ad-selling company. Besides you can change the default search engine in a heartbeat.
    - Confusion 11y ago
      I certainly consider that funding by direct ad sales. It's like any other affiliate model: your contribution is to get their product to be sold.
- EC1 11y ago
  Someone said that that all of those call home as well. I need a browser that just lets me browse instead of filling me with constant "1984-esque" anxiety and paranoia for every URL I go to, and apparently all the extensions I run ALSO call home and leave a uniquely identifying finger print. Honestly I'm moving to backend work and using a terminal browser. This is so fucking stupid. Wish there was at least one program on my computer that isn't trying to constantly stab me in the back.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >Someone said that that all of those call home as well Obviously, since all have update-check (and auto-update) features, live content (e.g. intro page), etc. That's not the same as mining your every search, and they don't own an add company or anything. >I need a browser that just lets me browse instead of filling me with constant "1984-esque" anxiety and paranoia for every URL I go to, and apparently all the extensions I run ALSO call home and leave a uniquely identifying finger print. It's even worse: EVERY IP (and/or page) you visit is registered on your ISP. About apps phoning home specifically, you can install an application firewall like Little Snitch and be warned and in control of any such attempt. It's not something that you should trust on the browser vendors not to do, anyway...
- Netbeing 11y ago
  Browsers don't make money at all, not directly, as you know. Microsoft pulls in 11 figures a year in online advertising revenue. As of earlier this year, Apple was still earning more mobile ad revenue than any other firm. And Mozilla is funded almost entirely by companies that earn billions in online ad revenue like Yahoo and Google.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >Browsers don't make money at all, not directly, as you know. Which is neither here, not there. As I wrote those three browsers don't make money off of ad revenue and/or private data. Chrome does. Whether the money are made directly or indirectly is beside the point for the purposes of the discussion. >Microsoft pulls in 11 figures a year in online advertising revenue. As of earlier this year, Apple was still earning more mobile ad revenue than any other firm. And Mozilla is funded almost entirely by companies that earn billions in online ad revenue like Yahoo and Google. Not that relevant either. Apple sells display ads (iAds etc) and that's it. They don't deal in personal data. Mozilla even less -- whether Yahoo/Google pays it to be the default search engine or not.
    - cromwellian 11y ago
      Apple sells targeted advertising and their T&C say they may use data for targeting.
Kristine1975 11y ago
Opera 12 still works for most web sites (including HN).
- rasz_pl 11y ago
  True, but it will need someone with magic touch soon to binary patch OpenSSL, more and more websites require ECDSA (cloudflare giving out free certs) Im seeing more and more Error 40 every week :( Other than elliptic curve BS Opera 12 is a perfect browser for me.

Yeah hold on let me fire up Opera. No. What do you suggest? Compile Chromium from source?

by EC1 11y ago

Yeah hold on let me fire up Opera. No. What do you suggest? Compile Chromium from source?

Firefox. Explorer. Safari. All three don't make their money off of data-mining / ad revenue. Not that I'm advocating for them (I use Chrome myself), but those fit what the parent suggested.

Confusion 11y ago
You should really read up on where Mozilla's money comes from. See the financing section of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation
- coldtea 11y ago
  From selling its "default search engine" spot -- I'm on this web business professionally since 1995, I know that. That's not direct ad sales and Mozilla wasn't created with the specific purposes to sell ads or collect private information, nor is owned by an ad-selling company. Besides you can change the default search engine in a heartbeat.
  - Confusion 11y ago
    I certainly consider that funding by direct ad sales. It's like any other affiliate model: your contribution is to get their product to be sold.
EC1 11y ago
Someone said that that all of those call home as well. I need a browser that just lets me browse instead of filling me with constant "1984-esque" anxiety and paranoia for every URL I go to, and apparently all the extensions I run ALSO call home and leave a uniquely identifying finger print. Honestly I'm moving to backend work and using a terminal browser. This is so fucking stupid. Wish there was at least one program on my computer that isn't trying to constantly stab me in the back.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >Someone said that that all of those call home as well Obviously, since all have update-check (and auto-update) features, live content (e.g. intro page), etc. That's not the same as mining your every search, and they don't own an add company or anything. >I need a browser that just lets me browse instead of filling me with constant "1984-esque" anxiety and paranoia for every URL I go to, and apparently all the extensions I run ALSO call home and leave a uniquely identifying finger print. It's even worse: EVERY IP (and/or page) you visit is registered on your ISP. About apps phoning home specifically, you can install an application firewall like Little Snitch and be warned and in control of any such attempt. It's not something that you should trust on the browser vendors not to do, anyway...
Netbeing 11y ago
Browsers don't make money at all, not directly, as you know. Microsoft pulls in 11 figures a year in online advertising revenue. As of earlier this year, Apple was still earning more mobile ad revenue than any other firm. And Mozilla is funded almost entirely by companies that earn billions in online ad revenue like Yahoo and Google.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >Browsers don't make money at all, not directly, as you know. Which is neither here, not there. As I wrote those three browsers don't make money off of ad revenue and/or private data. Chrome does. Whether the money are made directly or indirectly is beside the point for the purposes of the discussion. >Microsoft pulls in 11 figures a year in online advertising revenue. As of earlier this year, Apple was still earning more mobile ad revenue than any other firm. And Mozilla is funded almost entirely by companies that earn billions in online ad revenue like Yahoo and Google. Not that relevant either. Apple sells display ads (iAds etc) and that's it. They don't deal in personal data. Mozilla even less -- whether Yahoo/Google pays it to be the default search engine or not.
  - cromwellian 11y ago
    Apple sells targeted advertising and their T&C say they may use data for targeting.

Kristine1975 11y ago

Opera 12 still works for most web sites (including HN).

rasz_pl 11y ago
True, but it will need someone with magic touch soon to binary patch OpenSSL, more and more websites require ECDSA (cloudflare giving out free certs) Im seeing more and more Error 40 every week :( Other than elliptic curve BS Opera 12 is a perfect browser for me.