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I think it's fair to say Arsene's ability to buy bargain players has died up. Gone are the days of Henry/Viera/Van Percy coming in as mediocre players only to b
by robmcm 11y ago
I think it's fair to say Arsene's ability to buy bargain players has died up. Gone are the days of Henry/Viera/Van Percy coming in as mediocre players only to be indispensable a season later.
I think if you look at some of the more recent meteoric rises, they all seems to come from lesser leagues or clubs, BVB/Juventus/Atlético Madrid/Porto, and to some extent Liverpool/Spurs (Bale/Suarez/Sterling/Coutinho/Kane).
I think signing a player with potential is only part of the issue, the key is playing, developing and nurturing them. With teams like BVB/Juventus/Atlético Madrid/Porto they are either in easier leagues where a player doesn't have to be the finished article to excel, or financially constrained to not be able to purchase the finished article. With Spurs and Liverpool they fall into the later category so are forced to give youth players a chance.
Take Kevin De Bruyne as an example, an obvious talent purchased by Chelsea, but not played because he wasn't quite finished (perhaps only in reputation rather than ability). Sold to play in a lesser league where he excelled, and then purchased for 50 million where his stature and starting place are then almost granted.
These days I think Arsene is stuck in a position where he has the money to spend, but ideally want's to return to his roots of nurturing young players. However the fans and board aren't willing to gamble on youth, in favor of signing 40/50 million finished articles.
A few million on an analytic company isn't going to break the bank, and may be more valuable in opposition analysis than finding the next rough diamond.
- TuxMulder 11y agoI think the analytical approach is still working for Arsenal; Monreal, Koscielny, Coquelin, Bellerin, Carzola, Giroud - non of those guys were marquee signings who cost loads, but all are now indispensable and could arguably walk into most teams in Europe. The analytical approach is clearly working for other teams too. The game is slowly changing and people are finally seeing the worth in the stats.
- robmcm 11y agoI would argue they are typical squad players for a team of Arsenal's level. I would be very surprised to see any of them get poached from another champions league club, or have a statue erected outside the Emirates. Analytic no doubt played a part in their signing, but it's hard to argue that they are exceptional examples of recruitment in the way Lewandowski or Kagawa were to Dortmund.
- corin_ 11y agoI think those players all have the potential to achieve legend status at Arsenal (maybe not Monreal so much, and maybe not Giroud though for the latter I'd argue because he's under-rated by many) if they a.) Keep going the way they're hoped to for a few years (improving for youngsters like Bellerin, staying the same quality for Cazorla) and b.) are instrumental in bringing a few more trophies to the club. It needs a mix of personal quality, longevity at the club and also team success. That said, even if none of them go down in the books as legends, they can still be excellent examples of great value purchases.
- robmcm 11y agoI would argue they are typical, perhaps good signings for a club such as Arsenal. They were all however known, and already playing at big European clubs. None were say playing for say Halmstads BK or unknown to everyone in the top tear other than vai some obscure stats system...
- dajohnson89 11y agoTo your point, I'd say two of his best signings in recent memory were Cech and Özil -- both mature players who were already recognized as hugely talented on the international level. However in fairness to Wegner, I think Danny Welbeck was identified to be a potential "hidden gem" but unfortunately he has been plauged by injuries. And it's hard to criticize one for being unable to find the likes of Henry.
- robmcm 11y agoI don't think you can class a 15 million pound Welbeck, who was playing for Manchester United and the England senior team as a "hidden gem" when compared against Shinji Kagawa who was playing for Cerezo Osaka in the J League and signed for €350,000...
- chill_t 11y agoWow - Had to mention Harry Kane on here huh? He is a real star, did you see his wunder(own)goal the other day? Took his tally up to 2 goals on the year! Our carl jenkinson has more than him! (ef the spuds). In all seriousness, I don't think arsene's ability to unearth hidden gems and turn them into 10/20/30 million $ players has completely gone. I mean FFS hector bellerin (not really unearthed from some hidden continent in Africa, he was bought as teenager from Barcalona) was a complete unknown and now is dead locked for the first team spot for Arsenal. This is the unknown youngster who, within a span of 1.5 years, went from nothin to first team start. He just played against Bayern Munich which is possibly the best team in the world, was able to keep Douglas Costa off the score sheet (top top winger/stricker) and to top it off, made the most insane interception I have ever seen. His pace is literally electric and even sitting at home on my couch I can feel the people in the Emirates standing on edge when he starts racing forwards.