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Peer Review = Flawed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ Tax Payer Money going to researc

by baldfat 11y ago

Peer Review = Flawed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ Tax Payer Money going to research not available to continue science = Flawed Policy How can an article about this not mention Aaron Schwartz?

masklinn 11y ago
> Peer Review = Flawed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ Then again, as per your article > Nevertheless, it is likely to remain central to science and journals because there is no obvious alternative And the problem outlined with TFA has little to do with peer-review, it has to do with open access which is largely orthogonal.
- baldfat 11y ago
  The opposing argument to Open and Free is that the main argument is that they need money for journals because they are peer reviewed. Peer reviews cost money. The integrity of the journal and science cost money. Therefore we are befitting science by having a pay wall. So they take grants and federal money put the results behind pay walls and say they are doing us a service. That is flawed.
  - masklinn 11y ago
    Again Open (access) and Free (publication) are largely orthogonal. For instance PLOS journals are Open Access but not Free Publication, the publication fees funding edition and review.
    - baldfat 11y ago
      Well I guess I don't see free and open as being opposing to each other. Now there is the option of being Free as in Beer but I really believe with the Internet we can have free and open. IF someone takes grant money from the government the research should be both free from fees and not behind a paid wall.
      - masklinn 11y ago
        > Well I guess I don't see free and open as being opposing to each other. Orthogonal means independent, not opposing. You can have free and open, you can have free and closed, you can have non-free and open and you can have non-free and closed. > IF someone takes grant money from the government the research should be both free from fees and not behind a paid wall. Be as it may, even with mostly volunteers running a peer-reviewed journal has costs, so unless governments start journal grants of sorts...
        baldfat 11y ago
        you 100% right. I was thinking of Orthogonal lines :) 90 degrees to each other.
        masklinn 11y ago
        That's the origin, the simile is that orthogonal lines represent completely disjoint sets and are uncorrelated, so one can be changed without impacting the other. It's kinda weird, but there you are.

by baldfat 11y ago

masklinn 11y ago

> Peer Review = Flawed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ Then again, as per your article > Nevertheless, it is likely to remain central to science and journals because there is no obvious alternative And the problem outlined with TFA has little to do with peer-review, it has to do with open access which is largely orthogonal.

baldfat 11y ago
The opposing argument to Open and Free is that the main argument is that they need money for journals because they are peer reviewed. Peer reviews cost money. The integrity of the journal and science cost money. Therefore we are befitting science by having a pay wall. So they take grants and federal money put the results behind pay walls and say they are doing us a service. That is flawed.
- masklinn 11y ago
  Again Open (access) and Free (publication) are largely orthogonal. For instance PLOS journals are Open Access but not Free Publication, the publication fees funding edition and review.
  - baldfat 11y ago
    Well I guess I don't see free and open as being opposing to each other. Now there is the option of being Free as in Beer but I really believe with the Internet we can have free and open. IF someone takes grant money from the government the research should be both free from fees and not behind a paid wall.
    - masklinn 11y ago
      > Well I guess I don't see free and open as being opposing to each other. Orthogonal means independent, not opposing. You can have free and open, you can have free and closed, you can have non-free and open and you can have non-free and closed. > IF someone takes grant money from the government the research should be both free from fees and not behind a paid wall. Be as it may, even with mostly volunteers running a peer-reviewed journal has costs, so unless governments start journal grants of sorts...
      - baldfat 11y ago
        you 100% right. I was thinking of Orthogonal lines :) 90 degrees to each other.
        masklinn 11y ago
        That's the origin, the simile is that orthogonal lines represent completely disjoint sets and are uncorrelated, so one can be changed without impacting the other. It's kinda weird, but there you are.