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latchkey 11y ago
Interesting numbers. Vietnam is pretty high up there for deaths / 100k people. I'd attribute that more to the lack of proper safety equipment. Almost everyone wears helmets (required), but they are a joke in terms of quality and nobody wears any sort of armor cause it is too hot. Many people also ride two up which is the max allowed (3 with a baby). The speeds here are also just not that fast because of the traffic and quality of the scooters. Top speed is maybe 30mph. In San Francisco, I strictly follow ATGATT and have had zero accidents, but a million close calls.
- roel_v 11y ago
  Not to turn this into that discussion again, but helmet do not substantially improve safety while they do significantly reduce acceptance of bikes as a mass transport mode.
  - mvid 11y ago
    The previous post was talking about motorcycles.
    - roel_v 11y ago
      Was it? I took it to mean bicycles and light scooters which don't drive much faster than bicycles and share lanes with them; drivers of faster scooters generally do wear helmets, in my experience. Well if we are talking about motorcycles, then of course, and my previous post doesn't apply.
Symbiote 11y ago
I think the number of deaths in Vietnam is significantly higher than reported. On a two week trip, I saw one fatality, two serious injuries and two minor injuries. This wasn't unusual, most tourists seemed to have seen at least a serious injury within a couple of weeks. This seemed far more than 10× worse than the UK, where I lived for decades and saw less than one accident (even minor) per year, and where the police take a lot longer to clear things up (they do more investigation).

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by bweitzman 11y ago

latchkey 11y ago
Interesting numbers. Vietnam is pretty high up there for deaths / 100k people. I'd attribute that more to the lack of proper safety equipment. Almost everyone wears helmets (required), but they are a joke in terms of quality and nobody wears any sort of armor cause it is too hot. Many people also ride two up which is the max allowed (3 with a baby). The speeds here are also just not that fast because of the traffic and quality of the scooters. Top speed is maybe 30mph. In San Francisco, I strictly follow ATGATT and have had zero accidents, but a million close calls.
- roel_v 11y ago
  Not to turn this into that discussion again, but helmet do not substantially improve safety while they do significantly reduce acceptance of bikes as a mass transport mode.
  - mvid 11y ago
    The previous post was talking about motorcycles.
    - roel_v 11y ago
      Was it? I took it to mean bicycles and light scooters which don't drive much faster than bicycles and share lanes with them; drivers of faster scooters generally do wear helmets, in my experience. Well if we are talking about motorcycles, then of course, and my previous post doesn't apply.
Symbiote 11y ago
I think the number of deaths in Vietnam is significantly higher than reported. On a two week trip, I saw one fatality, two serious injuries and two minor injuries. This wasn't unusual, most tourists seemed to have seen at least a serious injury within a couple of weeks. This seemed far more than 10× worse than the UK, where I lived for decades and saw less than one accident (even minor) per year, and where the police take a lot longer to clear things up (they do more investigation).