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Also Google's privacy invasions including Eric Schmidt's dismissal of the notion that people have a right to privacy. I'm sorry, but I understood his comment o

by blhack 17y ago

Also Google's privacy invasions including Eric Schmidt's dismissal of the notion that people have a right to privacy. I'm sorry, but I understood his comment on this to mean "You can't put stuff on a server you don't own without...putting stuff on a server you don't own". I wouldn't lump Google in with Apple at all...google, at least to me, still isn't doing any evil. Apple on the other hand leaves me speechless.

dnsworks 17y ago
Everything is on a server in Google's world. They're even giving out free operating systems with the expectation that all of your data will end up residing on their servers anyways.
- GHFigs 17y ago
  You're handwaving the part where this is presumed to be bad. It may seem obvious to you, but it isn't to everyone, and the process of explaining why exactly you think that is probably more useful than asking people to be more upset about it. Why is having all of my data on Google's servers bad? I keep all of my money in a bank without trouble, and that would seem to be at least as important as my data. What makes Google evil?
  - dnsworks 17y ago
    What if I told you that your bank gave detailed descriptions of your purchasing activities to the federal government, while simultaneously selling that data to the advertising agencies who represent the companies you do business with? Would you find that to be evil? Because in both cases, it's true.
    - rapind 17y ago
      I thought they fought the first point in court, and you didn't mention that the data selling is anonymous. Seems like a pretty conscientious way to do evil...
    - ErrantX 17y ago
      > gave detailed descriptions of your purchasing activities to the federal government, They would have to do this if made to, same as Google. > selling that data to the advertising agencies who represent the companies you do business with? Are Google doing this? What data? Evidence? EDIT: I mean the identifiable stuff... anonymous doesn't personally bother me. But you linked it to point #1 which is identifiable data
    - GHFigs 17y ago
      I think you missed the point. You're trying to scare me rather than explain what actual events that actually transpired you actually think are actually wrong. I'm just asking you to not be vague and presumptive when making a moral argument.
    - Retric 17y ago
      Banks do gave detailed descriptions of your purchasing activities to the federal government. However, Google does not sell data to advertising agencies because they are an advertising agency. In other words when you give information to Google they user it internally. OMG, the horror. As to bundelling up information and selling it in bulk they also just give it away. Where to do think the search suggestions come from? That's correct it's excerpts from everything anyone has ever typed into Google, yet people don't complain about it.

by blhack 17y ago

dnsworks 17y ago

Everything is on a server in Google's world. They're even giving out free operating systems with the expectation that all of your data will end up residing on their servers anyways.

GHFigs 17y ago
You're handwaving the part where this is presumed to be bad. It may seem obvious to you, but it isn't to everyone, and the process of explaining why exactly you think that is probably more useful than asking people to be more upset about it. Why is having all of my data on Google's servers bad? I keep all of my money in a bank without trouble, and that would seem to be at least as important as my data. What makes Google evil?
- dnsworks 17y ago
  What if I told you that your bank gave detailed descriptions of your purchasing activities to the federal government, while simultaneously selling that data to the advertising agencies who represent the companies you do business with? Would you find that to be evil? Because in both cases, it's true.
  - rapind 17y ago
    I thought they fought the first point in court, and you didn't mention that the data selling is anonymous. Seems like a pretty conscientious way to do evil...
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    > gave detailed descriptions of your purchasing activities to the federal government, They would have to do this if made to, same as Google. > selling that data to the advertising agencies who represent the companies you do business with? Are Google doing this? What data? Evidence? EDIT: I mean the identifiable stuff... anonymous doesn't personally bother me. But you linked it to point #1 which is identifiable data
  - GHFigs 17y ago
    I think you missed the point. You're trying to scare me rather than explain what actual events that actually transpired you actually think are actually wrong. I'm just asking you to not be vague and presumptive when making a moral argument.
  - Retric 17y ago
    Banks do gave detailed descriptions of your purchasing activities to the federal government. However, Google does not sell data to advertising agencies because they are an advertising agency. In other words when you give information to Google they user it internally. OMG, the horror. As to bundelling up information and selling it in bulk they also just give it away. Where to do think the search suggestions come from? That's correct it's excerpts from everything anyone has ever typed into Google, yet people don't complain about it.