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I don't see how that changes the story at all. Whether or not he built the clock, the important thing is that he didn't build a bomb and was arrested by police

I don't see how that changes the story at all. Whether or not he built the clock, the important thing is that he didn't build a bomb and was arrested by police officers who (then and now) fully admitted that he had committed no crime whatsoever.

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yelnatz 11y ago
Yea, but I can see through how much of a poser he is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvB1I7uMGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvB1I7uMGg
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zeteo 11y ago
> the important thing is that he didn't build a bomb and was arrested by police officers He was arrested on suspicion of perpetrating a bomb hoax. There may be a legitimate purpose for putting an existing clock inside a box where it can't be seen, and having it go off during class. But I'm less outraged if it turns out that law enforcement's only failure was missing out on that legitimate purpose when called to make a judgment on the spot.
beeboop 11y ago
It changes it dramatically. People are saying he got in trouble because of racist school administration being overzealous. The reality, according to the best information we have, is that he was intentionally antagonizing his teachers for attention. What he made is a few blocks of play-doh away from looking like a bomb. A teacher sent him to the office for making what undeniably looks like a hoax bomb. Zero effort went into this - it wasn't a science project, it wasn't inventive, it wasn't something worth showing off other than "hehe this looks like a bomb!". The way he was treated by officers was absolutely shitty, but it wasn't any different than how officers treat people all day, every day, at schools all across America.
- wolfgke 11y ago
  > The way he was treated by officers was absolutely shitty, but it wasn't any different than how officers treat people all day, every day, at schools all across America. If Ahmed Mohamed's case leads to a change in this area, I think a lot is won.
  - beeboop 11y ago
    The city leadership and police department leadership being 100% unapologetic and unwavering in their actions says otherwise.
bdcravens 11y ago
If a kid was waving around a plastic gun that was painted black, would it be the same social justice concern?
rhino369 11y ago
He wasn't arrested for building a bomb, but for building a fake bomb. I don't think you should arrest a kid for that even if it did, it's not worth it. However, it's not insane to think he was trying to cause an incident. The hypothesis goes: he wanted to get a teacher to believe he had a bomb so that he could claim religious profiling and racism. If that is what happened, that technically is a crime because the bomb was a hoax bomb. Why would someone think he was trying to trick a teacher into thinking it was a bomb. It's a weird thing to bring to school. It's not like he actually make a clock on his own. Clocks are not super impressive, but it's a good beginner amateur electronics project. But he didn't even do that. His comments in the media don't really show any understanding of electronics. Why was he so proud of pulling apart an off the shelf alarm clock and nailing it into a pencil case? He brought it out in each class of the day for no reason. He set it to go off in class for some reason. And then when he was questioned about it, he was reportedly very tight lipped. He could have been nervous being in trouble. Or he could have been trying to create a scandal. Mark Cuban said when he called the kid that someone else was feeding him answers. His sister got in trouble in a bomb scare situation at the same school district. And then the family goes on a media tour meeting with mass murdering Islamic leaders--al-Bashir. And suddenly the family is moving to Qatar. His Father was also involved in a high profile media circus regarding a Koran burning. It's not clear that it was a purposeful stunt. But I don't think it requires conspiracy level thinking to believe it was.
- jonlucc 11y ago
  Bringing an alarm clock to school and NOT setting it to go off during class is more suspicious to me.

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yelnatz 11y ago

Yea, but I can see through how much of a poser he is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvB1I7uMGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvB1I7uMGg

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zeteo 11y ago

> the important thing is that he didn't build a bomb and was arrested by police officers He was arrested on suspicion of perpetrating a bomb hoax. There may be a legitimate purpose for putting an existing clock inside a box where it can't be seen, and having it go off during class. But I'm less outraged if it turns out that law enforcement's only failure was missing out on that legitimate purpose when called to make a judgment on the spot.

beeboop 11y ago

It changes it dramatically. People are saying he got in trouble because of racist school administration being overzealous. The reality, according to the best information we have, is that he was intentionally antagonizing his teachers for attention. What he made is a few blocks of play-doh away from looking like a bomb. A teacher sent him to the office for making what undeniably looks like a hoax bomb. Zero effort went into this - it wasn't a science project, it wasn't inventive, it wasn't something worth showing off other than "hehe this looks like a bomb!". The way he was treated by officers was absolutely shitty, but it wasn't any different than how officers treat people all day, every day, at schools all across America.

wolfgke 11y ago
> The way he was treated by officers was absolutely shitty, but it wasn't any different than how officers treat people all day, every day, at schools all across America. If Ahmed Mohamed's case leads to a change in this area, I think a lot is won.
- beeboop 11y ago
  The city leadership and police department leadership being 100% unapologetic and unwavering in their actions says otherwise.

bdcravens 11y ago

If a kid was waving around a plastic gun that was painted black, would it be the same social justice concern?

rhino369 11y ago

He wasn't arrested for building a bomb, but for building a fake bomb. I don't think you should arrest a kid for that even if it did, it's not worth it. However, it's not insane to think he was trying to cause an incident. The hypothesis goes: he wanted to get a teacher to believe he had a bomb so that he could claim religious profiling and racism. If that is what happened, that technically is a crime because the bomb was a hoax bomb. Why would someone think he was trying to trick a teacher into thinking it was a bomb. It's a weird thing to bring to school. It's not like he actually make a clock on his own. Clocks are not super impressive, but it's a good beginner amateur electronics project. But he didn't even do that. His comments in the media don't really show any understanding of electronics. Why was he so proud of pulling apart an off the shelf alarm clock and nailing it into a pencil case? He brought it out in each class of the day for no reason. He set it to go off in class for some reason. And then when he was questioned about it, he was reportedly very tight lipped. He could have been nervous being in trouble. Or he could have been trying to create a scandal. Mark Cuban said when he called the kid that someone else was feeding him answers. His sister got in trouble in a bomb scare situation at the same school district. And then the family goes on a media tour meeting with mass murdering Islamic leaders--al-Bashir. And suddenly the family is moving to Qatar. His Father was also involved in a high profile media circus regarding a Koran burning. It's not clear that it was a purposeful stunt. But I don't think it requires conspiracy level thinking to believe it was.

jonlucc 11y ago
Bringing an alarm clock to school and NOT setting it to go off during class is more suspicious to me.