I agree. So I'll add that none of those places had any values aligned with agile at all, despite spending time, money, and effort on agile. Maybe that's because

I agree. So I'll add that none of those places had any values aligned with agile at all, despite spending time, money, and effort on agile. Maybe that's because values don't come from processes and trying to implement a process to instill values into people is patently absurd.