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I am not sure I am adding much to the conversation, it may be unfair to Mr.Carney, but when I see a Politically involved person like Mr.Carney who worked as pre

by sremani 11y ago

I am not sure I am adding much to the conversation, it may be unfair to Mr.Carney, but when I see a Politically involved person like Mr.Carney who worked as press-secretary, I do not trust his message. I simply do not. Even though I spent some time reading his entire posting, my biases were yelling at me, "do you want to really take this political hack seriously?". Amazon has to find a better spokesperson for public tussle, better in this case would be someone who is not already labeled.

cryoshon 11y ago
It isn't unfair. Amazon hired a spin doctor, and spin is what he produces. My guess is that Amazon will be just fine after this scandal, though-- they're too big to let a petty thing like "bad culture" impact profits.
- hobs 11y ago
  And there is enough people who see Amazon as "getting in the door" that they will tolerate a year or two of utter bullshit so they can jump ship to Google or other more humane jobs.
forgottenpass 11y ago
Amazon has to find a better spokesperson for public tussle, better in this case would be someone who is not already labeled. Why would you trust anyone else more? They'd be doing the same exact job for Amazon as Carney is (even if it differs slightly in the implementation). It's just deliciously transparent when they hire Carney to do it. Any other person would be bullshit artist too, Carney is just known for delivering bullshit. If someone sees a name on Amazon's PR mouthpiece and doesn't immediately drop their evaluation of that person's statements to Carney's level, they're simply being tricked.
larrys 11y ago
The more important reason why Carney is being used is that he is trusted by journalists and/or has had an important job and reputation that preceded him. As such he will be given certain leeway and the benefit of the doubt that won't extend to others (with less of a pedigree). This isn't about what the tech press thinks (or what even an Amazon customer thinks) it's about what other important decision makers (who follow the journalists that are impressed by Carney think). Separately, when does any PR hack speak the truth (if you want to call it that).
codeonfire 11y ago
I can't believe he would try to misrepresent Amazon's anonymous anytime feedback tool that is in use by literally tens of thousands of people. He said its a) not anonymous and b) rarely used. Apparently as an SVP he's not familiar with it.
patja 11y ago
This guy's response was way more effective and credible: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/amazonians-response-inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-nick-ciubotariu https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/amazonians-response-inside-am... Although I do think it is heavily colored by survivor/leader bias in the same way that Bezos "I don't recognize" response was. And that there are "good groups" within the company and that senior developers and their teams are more likely to be treated well than those who are essentially purchasing agents and vendor managers on the pure retail logistics/ops side of the company, where skills are not compensated as highly or as difficult to find in the employment market.

by sremani 11y ago

cryoshon 11y ago

It isn't unfair. Amazon hired a spin doctor, and spin is what he produces. My guess is that Amazon will be just fine after this scandal, though-- they're too big to let a petty thing like "bad culture" impact profits.

hobs 11y ago
And there is enough people who see Amazon as "getting in the door" that they will tolerate a year or two of utter bullshit so they can jump ship to Google or other more humane jobs.

forgottenpass 11y ago

Amazon has to find a better spokesperson for public tussle, better in this case would be someone who is not already labeled. Why would you trust anyone else more? They'd be doing the same exact job for Amazon as Carney is (even if it differs slightly in the implementation). It's just deliciously transparent when they hire Carney to do it. Any other person would be bullshit artist too, Carney is just known for delivering bullshit. If someone sees a name on Amazon's PR mouthpiece and doesn't immediately drop their evaluation of that person's statements to Carney's level, they're simply being tricked.

larrys 11y ago

The more important reason why Carney is being used is that he is trusted by journalists and/or has had an important job and reputation that preceded him. As such he will be given certain leeway and the benefit of the doubt that won't extend to others (with less of a pedigree). This isn't about what the tech press thinks (or what even an Amazon customer thinks) it's about what other important decision makers (who follow the journalists that are impressed by Carney think). Separately, when does any PR hack speak the truth (if you want to call it that).

codeonfire 11y ago

I can't believe he would try to misrepresent Amazon's anonymous anytime feedback tool that is in use by literally tens of thousands of people. He said its a) not anonymous and b) rarely used. Apparently as an SVP he's not familiar with it.

patja 11y ago

This guy's response was way more effective and credible: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/amazonians-response-inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-nick-ciubotariu https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/amazonians-response-inside-am... Although I do think it is heavily colored by survivor/leader bias in the same way that Bezos "I don't recognize" response was. And that there are "good groups" within the company and that senior developers and their teams are more likely to be treated well than those who are essentially purchasing agents and vendor managers on the pure retail logistics/ops side of the company, where skills are not compensated as highly or as difficult to find in the employment market.