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I would not be surprised at this scenario - her: do you have protection? him: um, sure. I'm taking that, uh, that pill thing. I can't help but think a male con
by jakejake 11y ago
I would not be surprised at this scenario - her: do you have protection? him: um, sure. I'm taking that, uh, that pill thing.
I can't help but think a male contraceptive that is not visually verifiable by the women is not entirely trustworthy. Perhaps in committed relationships, but not for casual sex. I'm sure we're all nice guys here, but men in general are not exactly known for being trustworthy when they're drunk and about to have sex.
- LesZedCB 11y agoGender generalizations aside, there's nothing wrong with the male using vasalgel, the female using a hormonal option, and the male also using a condom. Just makes it even more effective, and everybody involved feels comfortable and relatively safe. Sexual safety is the responsibility of each individual involved.
- datruth29 11y agoThis doesn't solve the problem of getting an STD, it only protects against the possibility of getting someone pregnant. Condoms are still the best form of protection against that. Vasagel however, can work well in conjunction with condoms.
- stevenmays 11y agoMeh. The counterpoint. Her: I'm on the pill. Him: Okay. 9 months later we find out she lied. Both men and women should have access to contraceptives. Saying that one gender is less trust worthy then another is ridiculous.
- anigbrowl 11y agoPossible, but if you want us to the ignore the hugely differing economic incentives for men and women wrt pregnancy then the discussion isn't going to go anywhere.
- AlexEatsKittens 11y ago>Possible, but if you want us to the ignore the hugely differing economic incentives for men and women wrt pregnancy then the discussion isn't going to go anywhere. What possible incentive is there for a man to impregnate a woman, especially without her desire? I don't think many guys are out there begging to pay child support.
- scott_s 11y agoThere is no incentive for man to impregnate a woman. That question, however, takes pregnancy as the given outcome. A man does have incentive to have sex: he likes it. anigbrowl's point was simple: by most measures, pregnancy is more "expensive" for women than for men, so women have higher incentives to not take the risk.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoSorry how is paying 18 years of child support for a child you could easily have no rights to even see not really very expensive?
- scott_s 11y agoIt is. But it's still not as "expensive" as pregnancy for a woman. I use scare quotes because I don't just mean monetary costs, but all kinds of costs.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoYou're still missing the benefit side of the cost/value equation. It might not seem like this to you but having a child is a major value to many people. A woman has multiple options to prevent unwanted children (including two after the fact options). She therefore has full control of the child/no-child outcome based upon cost/value for her personal situation. A man has two options to prevent childbirth: a permanent vasectomy or using a condom (these fail and they fail too often in real world settings). A man has limited (or in the case of a condom mishap potentially no) control and potentially if the woman decides it should be so no value whatsoever.
- souljaswag 11y agoI am though. maybe we can make a website where we "verify" if people are trustworthy before drunken hookups. tryna take home a dude at the bar? just verifyhim we can even call it verifyhim. scan his fingerprint on your iphone and/or use your cameraphone to scan his eyes to verify if he was using the man pill last time he hooked up.
- LesZedCB 11y agoI've heard of that idea before. It wouldn't work for many reasons, the main being "cache invalidation." i.e. it becomes obsolete as soon as somebody has another sexual partner. And at that point, you're trusting users to just update it. That doesn't even mention the privacy issues involved.
- noxToken 11y agoYes, because I'm sure tons of people will line up to have their fingerprint/eye pattern associated with contraception and their last potential hookup in a 3rd party database. What could go wrong?
- dllthomas 11y ago"Yes, because I'm sure tons of people will line up to have their fingerprint/eye pattern associated with contraception and their last potential hookup in a 3rd party database." Sadly, I am also sure of this.
- hugh4 11y agoTheoretically (not that I think it's necessarily a viable product) could you tell if a woman is on birth control from a blood sample?
- DanBC 11y agoFor casual sex people should be using two methods of contraception, and one of those should be a standards-compliant condom. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nearly-half-a-million-new-sexual-infections-in-2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nearly-half-a-million-new... https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hiv-infections-continue-to-rise https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hiv-infections-continue-t... etc
- breischl 11y ago>>standards-compliant condom Wait, there's a standard for that? What is it, ISO-69? Did they also standardize the different sizes and textures? Regardless, I bet it was an interesting working group.
- DanBC 11y agohttp://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail?csnumber=45589 http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail?csnumber=45589 Slides from the workshop? http://www.path.org/publications/files/RH_condom_wrkshp_session5_en.pdf http://www.path.org/publications/files/RH_condom_wrkshp_sess...
- wmeredith 11y ago69? Haha. It's actually 23409:2011
- girvo 11y agoAs if some women don't lie about being on contraception...
- adekok 11y ago> I can't help but think a male contraceptive that is not visually verifiable by the women is not entirely trustworthy. Uh... how is that different from what we have today? Women take a pill. It's not visually verifiable by men. Surely you can't object to the idea that men have the same choices about the pill as women do?
- jakejake 11y agoSimple. Because the guy can be gone the next day, never to be seen again.
- solutionyogi 11y agoI don't know why you are getting downvoted, I upvoted you. A big positive for using condom is that it's easily verifiable by the other partner. However, I can imagine that there is another big market where partners are in a trusted relationship (either marriage or live in partner) and would like to use male contraception.
- dionidium 11y agoI don't know why you are getting downvoted Because he implied that a man's word that he's taking a daily contraceptive is less reliable than a woman's.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoBecause his post was extremely sexist.
- bradjohnson 11y ago>men in general are not exactly known for being trustworthy when they're drunk and about to have sex Jesus, I can only imagine the reaction from HN if you made such a sweeping generalization about how trustworthy women are. How can you verify that a woman is on the pill? Even more, what if she says she has an IUD? How is that verifiable?
- tibbon 11y agoIts pretty trivial to tell if someone has an IUD.
- bradjohnson 11y agoElaborate please Edit: Nevermind, I didn't realize that there was thread that could be found if you were looking for it. My girlfriend had one put in somewhat recently and I never noticed.
- jakejake 11y agoI'm a guy. I feel perfectly comfortable saying that guys can be absolute pigs.
- bradjohnson 11y agoSo can any sufficiently large subset of people, including women.
- tibbon 11y agoI don't think that's the point. For random hookups, people really should be using condoms; STIs are a thing. But for couples in trusting relationships, I don't see why men would be less trustworthy than women. Having an extra layer of protection outside of condoms, and being able to not have the responsibility being all on the woman would be really nice. Some women can't tolerate various other forms of birth control for health reasons.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoAlso it would give the male the same autonomy over their reproductive function that women have.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoWhat on earth are you talking about? Your post is highly sexist. As a man I want to take care of my own reproductive function. Women can already take care of theirs and a male pill-equivalent product won't change that.