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i don't understand. why would people want to own an artifact of human misery?

AlphaMonkey 17y ago
Weren't some rich Russians willing to pay for the privilege of a pirate-hunting vacation off the coast of Somalia? You're assuming everyone has a conscience, which is an unrealistic assumption.
- nazgulnarsil 17y ago
  sometimes I forget I live in a chimpanzee insane asylum.
- jsrn 17y ago
  > Weren't some rich Russians willing to pay for the privilege of a pirate-hunting vacation off the coast of Somalia? No, that was a hoax: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/piratecruise.asp http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/piratecruise.asp
  - AlphaMonkey 17y ago
    Please note that I stated that some people were willing to pay for the privilege of blowing up Somali pirates with heavy weapons. You found evidence that the Russian company selling pirate-hunting vacations was a hoax. I am talking about demand for a gory form of entertainment, you're talking about supply. Hence, you have not defeated my argument. I personally know people who would pay to shoot pirates with 50-cal machine guns. You'd be amazed at how bored executives at big companies can get...
ilkhd2 17y ago
1) People in USA/Canada/Other western world are _addicted_ to products made in misery (in China, for example). Less miserable of course, but still far from good conditions. 2) If there are reasons to think that it can improve their condition, than it os a good idea.
- AlphaMonkey 17y ago
  Very good point. China is only the tip of the iceberg. For example, about 10 years ago, there was a scandal that Nike used slave child labor in Pakistan to manufacture soccer balls. http://www1.american.edu/TED/nike.htm http://www1.american.edu/TED/nike.htm
  - ilkhd2 17y ago
    The problem, that USA is _not_ much better in the ways how blue collar workers are treated there. There is a good book "the great squeeze", which talks about misery workers go through working on American industrial facilities. Google Books should have it.
- houseabsolute 17y ago
  Ridiculous. They are addicted to inexpensive products, nothing else. Few people ever check a label to see where clothes are made.
  - ilkhd2 17y ago
    Inexpensive (or more correctly - cheap) are almost always made in misery. So by simple logic, people who prefer cheap products prefer products made in misery.
    - ramchip 17y ago
      Does not compute. High-level languages are almost always slower. So by simple logic, people who prefer high-level languages prefer slow languages. However, people wouldn't want anything to do with a slow language that's low-level. And in the same way for a shirt made in a poor country that's not cheap.
      - ilkhd2 17y ago
        I am not talking about their intentions - that is not a domain of "simple logic" anyway. What I am saying is factual statement: the set [made cheaply] is a subset of [made in misery]. So you cannot escape purchasing stuff [made in misery] if you buy suff [made cheaply].

Weren't some rich Russians willing to pay for the privilege of a pirate-hunting vacation off the coast of Somalia? You're assuming everyone has a conscience, which is an unrealistic assumption.

nazgulnarsil 17y ago
sometimes I forget I live in a chimpanzee insane asylum.
jsrn 17y ago
> Weren't some rich Russians willing to pay for the privilege of a pirate-hunting vacation off the coast of Somalia? No, that was a hoax: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/piratecruise.asp http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/piratecruise.asp
- AlphaMonkey 17y ago
  Please note that I stated that some people were willing to pay for the privilege of blowing up Somali pirates with heavy weapons. You found evidence that the Russian company selling pirate-hunting vacations was a hoax. I am talking about demand for a gory form of entertainment, you're talking about supply. Hence, you have not defeated my argument. I personally know people who would pay to shoot pirates with 50-cal machine guns. You'd be amazed at how bored executives at big companies can get...

ilkhd2 17y ago

1) People in USA/Canada/Other western world are _addicted_ to products made in misery (in China, for example). Less miserable of course, but still far from good conditions. 2) If there are reasons to think that it can improve their condition, than it os a good idea.

AlphaMonkey 17y ago
Very good point. China is only the tip of the iceberg. For example, about 10 years ago, there was a scandal that Nike used slave child labor in Pakistan to manufacture soccer balls. http://www1.american.edu/TED/nike.htm http://www1.american.edu/TED/nike.htm
- ilkhd2 17y ago
  The problem, that USA is _not_ much better in the ways how blue collar workers are treated there. There is a good book "the great squeeze", which talks about misery workers go through working on American industrial facilities. Google Books should have it.
houseabsolute 17y ago
Ridiculous. They are addicted to inexpensive products, nothing else. Few people ever check a label to see where clothes are made.
- ilkhd2 17y ago
  Inexpensive (or more correctly - cheap) are almost always made in misery. So by simple logic, people who prefer cheap products prefer products made in misery.
  - ramchip 17y ago
    Does not compute. High-level languages are almost always slower. So by simple logic, people who prefer high-level languages prefer slow languages. However, people wouldn't want anything to do with a slow language that's low-level. And in the same way for a shirt made in a poor country that's not cheap.
    - ilkhd2 17y ago
      I am not talking about their intentions - that is not a domain of "simple logic" anyway. What I am saying is factual statement: the set [made cheaply] is a subset of [made in misery]. So you cannot escape purchasing stuff [made in misery] if you buy suff [made cheaply].