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> Alcohol being the great social lubricant with some nasty side effects on your health - definitely feels like it could be disrupted by a "safer" oxytocin based

by dozzie 11y ago

> Alcohol being the great social lubricant with some nasty side effects on your health - definitely feels like it could be disrupted by a "safer" oxytocin based product. Has a similar feeling to vaping vs smoking. Except it doesn't work that way. People didn't give up smoking in favour of vaping, they do both. Smokers still smoke cigarettes, even though they use e-cigarettes. About the only larger group that uses e-cigarettes instead of traditional tobacco is teenagers, since they can't legally buy tobacco.

Lewton 11y ago
Is this based on some stats? Because it does not gel with my anecdata. Most vapers I know are full on vapers. If they smoke cigarettes it's only because their battery has run out.
pluma 11y ago
Based on my entirely anecdotal evidence: * I know one smoker who also vapes * I know one smoker who switched to vaping before going back to smoking because he found it hard to limit his vaping (because number of cigarettes is easier to measure) * I know several vapers who either don't smoke or gave up smoking in favour of vaping * I know several smokers who aren't interested in vaping None of them is younger than 25.
- comrh 11y ago
  > I know one smoker who switched to vaping before going back to smoking because he found it hard to limit his vaping (because number of cigarettes is easier to measure) This was my problem. Went to vaping to quit and ended up making the addiction worse because it is really easy to mindless puff away. I've seen newer models with USB that you can limit the number a draws on though so that might be a good option.
  - pluma 11y ago
    His problem was that he kept pulling out the vaporizer for a few quick puffs, which added up to a lot more than the extended smoking sessions cigarettes require.
blowski 11y ago
Do you have some data to back up those assertions?
keldaris 11y ago
In my personal anecdotal experience, the opposite is true. After having smoked cigarettes for over a decade (I'm in my mid twenties) I switched to vaping and can't even smoke a full cigarette now, the taste feels disgusting and the satisfaction just isn't there any more. Most smokers I know who got into vaping are the same way, but obviously this is still anecdotal. I'm not aware of any respectable studies on the question, but clearly at least the statement "it doesn't work that way" is false in general.
soylentcola 11y ago
Anecdote warning, but I'm 38 and completely switched methods of nicotine ingestion over just a couple of days. I knew I liked the mild stimulant effects of nicotine. I knew they helped immensely with my ADHD symptoms. And I knew that stopping use would suck (both in terms of the temporary withdrawal and the longer term lack of something I knew existed that was desirable). So when vaporizers improved to the point where I could use one dependably and reliably, I switched in the time it took to finish my last pack of smokes. I'm well aware that sucking nicotine mist with a bit of glycerine and and even tinier amount of food-grade flavoring is less healthy than breathing only fresh country air, results of every chemical analysis I've read (made with a good device, properly used, and with good quality liquid) show me that I'm getting the "active ingredient" with drastically less risky compounds than the inhaling of burning leaves. The less-healthy stuff that is in it is found in much lower levels than in cig smoke. Regardless, not trying to be one of "those guys" and I typically don't go out of my way to even talk about this stuff because nobody has any reason to care about my personal conclusions about addictive stimulants. At the same time, of every adult I know who uses a vaporizer, none of them smokes more than a cig/cigar or two per year anymore and the vast majority lose their taste for smoking after the first few days getting used to the less immediate dose from nicotine vapor versus combusted tobacco. (also teenagers can't legally buy nicotine solution either. Never stopped them with cigs but I don't know any teenagers currently so I can't speak to their nicotine use or preferred delivery methods).
matt4077 11y ago
I know quite a few people who have drastically reduced their alcohol consumption after starting to take MDMA infrequently. For some, the taste somehow changed, making it less desirable (up to two weeks after a dose of MDMA). Others prefer to take MDMA every 4 or 5 weeks and just stay completely sober in between.

by dozzie 11y ago

Lewton 11y ago

Is this based on some stats? Because it does not gel with my anecdata. Most vapers I know are full on vapers. If they smoke cigarettes it's only because their battery has run out.

pluma 11y ago

Based on my entirely anecdotal evidence: * I know one smoker who also vapes * I know one smoker who switched to vaping before going back to smoking because he found it hard to limit his vaping (because number of cigarettes is easier to measure) * I know several vapers who either don't smoke or gave up smoking in favour of vaping * I know several smokers who aren't interested in vaping None of them is younger than 25.

comrh 11y ago
> I know one smoker who switched to vaping before going back to smoking because he found it hard to limit his vaping (because number of cigarettes is easier to measure) This was my problem. Went to vaping to quit and ended up making the addiction worse because it is really easy to mindless puff away. I've seen newer models with USB that you can limit the number a draws on though so that might be a good option.
- pluma 11y ago
  His problem was that he kept pulling out the vaporizer for a few quick puffs, which added up to a lot more than the extended smoking sessions cigarettes require.

blowski 11y ago

Do you have some data to back up those assertions?

keldaris 11y ago

In my personal anecdotal experience, the opposite is true. After having smoked cigarettes for over a decade (I'm in my mid twenties) I switched to vaping and can't even smoke a full cigarette now, the taste feels disgusting and the satisfaction just isn't there any more. Most smokers I know who got into vaping are the same way, but obviously this is still anecdotal. I'm not aware of any respectable studies on the question, but clearly at least the statement "it doesn't work that way" is false in general.

soylentcola 11y ago

Anecdote warning, but I'm 38 and completely switched methods of nicotine ingestion over just a couple of days. I knew I liked the mild stimulant effects of nicotine. I knew they helped immensely with my ADHD symptoms. And I knew that stopping use would suck (both in terms of the temporary withdrawal and the longer term lack of something I knew existed that was desirable). So when vaporizers improved to the point where I could use one dependably and reliably, I switched in the time it took to finish my last pack of smokes. I'm well aware that sucking nicotine mist with a bit of glycerine and and even tinier amount of food-grade flavoring is less healthy than breathing only fresh country air, results of every chemical analysis I've read (made with a good device, properly used, and with good quality liquid) show me that I'm getting the "active ingredient" with drastically less risky compounds than the inhaling of burning leaves. The less-healthy stuff that is in it is found in much lower levels than in cig smoke. Regardless, not trying to be one of "those guys" and I typically don't go out of my way to even talk about this stuff because nobody has any reason to care about my personal conclusions about addictive stimulants. At the same time, of every adult I know who uses a vaporizer, none of them smokes more than a cig/cigar or two per year anymore and the vast majority lose their taste for smoking after the first few days getting used to the less immediate dose from nicotine vapor versus combusted tobacco. (also teenagers can't legally buy nicotine solution either. Never stopped them with cigs but I don't know any teenagers currently so I can't speak to their nicotine use or preferred delivery methods).

matt4077 11y ago

I know quite a few people who have drastically reduced their alcohol consumption after starting to take MDMA infrequently. For some, the taste somehow changed, making it less desirable (up to two weeks after a dose of MDMA). Others prefer to take MDMA every 4 or 5 weeks and just stay completely sober in between.