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I found this account of his intellectual journey from atheism very much like my own. However I am no philosophy Phd. But the early years of dismissing things be
by lootsauce 11y ago
I found this account of his intellectual journey from atheism very much like my own. However I am no philosophy Phd. But the early years of dismissing things because you "know" it all already or nobody is taking it serious so why would you. Yeah I think we can all relate to that in various contexts. Then getting deep into something and having it lead you where you never expected. Yeah had that happen a few times too, its amazing how often this does happen when I finally get over my ego and start to really listen and process what I learn, and boy am I better off for it.
It is a long read here is my TLDR;
It took this guy a decade to see through his and the fields biases and weak/uninformed arguments. My favorite bit on this is.
- "Read it, read into it, dismiss it, move on. How far can you go wrong? Very, very far. It took me the better part of a decade to see that"
- "the stock objections raised by atheists against the traditional arguments for God’s existence are often aimed at caricatures, some of them do have at least some force against some of the arguments of modern philosophers of religion. But they do not have force against the key arguments of the classical theist tradition."
Begins to question the nature of what we can know through science.
- "I came to see that existing naturalistic accounts of language and meaning were no good."
- "Physics, which materialists take to be the gold standard of our knowledge of the material world, in fact doesn’t give us knowledge of the intrinsic nature of matter in the first place."
- "The usual materialist theories were not even clearly thought out, much less correct."
- "A complete naturalistic explanation of intentionality is impossible."
- "Introspection, ...gives us direct knowledge of our thoughts and experiences. ...it is matter, and not mind, that is the really problematic side of the mind-body problem"
Takes a serious look at Aquinas and Scholastics, finds it very solid to his surprise
- "The way I and so many other philosophers tended to read the Five Ways was, as I gradually came to realize, laughably off base."
- "when they did say anything about Aquinas’s arguments at all, most of them showed only that they couldn’t even be bothered to get him right, much less show why he was mistaken."
- "Eventually it hit me: “Oh my goodness, these arguments are right after all!”
- "a little philosophy leads you away from God, but learning a lot of philosophy leads you back"
My favorite part of this post is how he really captures what I am certainly guilty of and I am sure so many of us are. Rather than really listen we prepare our argument which is really a way of building up our wall of existing belief. Of course that makes sense if you're feeling challenged you want to see if they can knock it down (hoping they can't) but really we should respect each other a bit more and just listen with an open mind and heart. It would save a lot of time I suspect.
"...to read something is not necessarily to understand it. Partly, of course, because when you’re young, you always understand less than you think you do. But mainly because, to understand someone, it’s not enough to sit there tapping your foot while he talks. You’ve got to listen, rather than merely waiting for a pause so that you can insert the response you’d already formulated before he even opened his mouth. And when you’re a young man who thinks he’s got the religious question all figured out, you’re in little mood to listen -- especially if you’ve fallen in love with one side of the question
You’re pretty much just going through the motions at that point. And if, while in that mindset, what you’re reading from the other side are seemingly archaic works, written in a forbidding jargon, presenting arguments and ideas no one defends anymore (or at least no one in the “mainstream”), your understanding is bound to be superficial and inaccurate."