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Useful tool, sure. But really, if you have to test, then yes, your mail is probably spam that noone cares for.

by jjuhl 11y ago

skrebbel 11y ago
You clearly never made an app that sends opt-in emails (think activity notifications, reminders, whatever). Unless you know the exact right incantations, 3% of these mails will end up in Gmail's spam folder. This directly results in 3% unhappy users. They'll never consider blaming Gmail instead of you.
- jjuhl 11y ago
  Well, personally, I'd consider any notifications, reminders, etc to be SPAM unless I had explicitly set up a rule to allow those emails from a specific source. By default such mails are just unwanted junk (IMHO) and should be treated as such by default (opt-in/opt-out is pointless since it is almost impossible to avoid opting in to crap these days).
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  A reach. Not clear you can tell how many ended up in spam folder vs how many unhappy users. Could be 30% got called spam, and 27 of those 30 were perfectly happy that happened. Those 3 were just the ones that complained?
- _delirium 11y ago
  Part of the problem with those is that a lot of companies (including big ones) have started sending notification and "what's happening" updates them without an opt-in, which causes users to think they're spammy and mark them as such. LinkedIn and Twitter are particularly big offenders here, but there are a lot of others. Twitter even likes to periodically invent new kinds of email notifications and newsletters, and opt you in to them by default. Gmail might be making this a little better by introducing a middle ground, moving those kinds of emails out of the Inbox into either the "Social" or "Promotions" boxes, where they're less likely to be marked as spam (although probably also less likely to be seen).
teekert 11y ago
You also probably never ran your own mail server and wondered why some people aren't responding to your mails. :)

Useful tool, sure. But really, if you have to test, then yes, your mail is probably spam that noone cares for.

by jjuhl 11y ago

Useful tool, sure. But really, if you have to test, then yes, your mail is probably spam that noone cares for.

You clearly never made an app that sends opt-in emails (think activity notifications, reminders, whatever). Unless you know the exact right incantations, 3% of these mails will end up in Gmail's spam folder. This directly results in 3% unhappy users. They'll never consider blaming Gmail instead of you.

jjuhl 11y ago
Well, personally, I'd consider any notifications, reminders, etc to be SPAM unless I had explicitly set up a rule to allow those emails from a specific source. By default such mails are just unwanted junk (IMHO) and should be treated as such by default (opt-in/opt-out is pointless since it is almost impossible to avoid opting in to crap these days).
JoeAltmaier 11y ago
A reach. Not clear you can tell how many ended up in spam folder vs how many unhappy users. Could be 30% got called spam, and 27 of those 30 were perfectly happy that happened. Those 3 were just the ones that complained?
_delirium 11y ago
Part of the problem with those is that a lot of companies (including big ones) have started sending notification and "what's happening" updates them without an opt-in, which causes users to think they're spammy and mark them as such. LinkedIn and Twitter are particularly big offenders here, but there are a lot of others. Twitter even likes to periodically invent new kinds of email notifications and newsletters, and opt you in to them by default. Gmail might be making this a little better by introducing a middle ground, moving those kinds of emails out of the Inbox into either the "Social" or "Promotions" boxes, where they're less likely to be marked as spam (although probably also less likely to be seen).

teekert 11y ago

You also probably never ran your own mail server and wondered why some people aren't responding to your mails. :)