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We have pretty relaxed prison system in Finland as well and it seems to be working pretty well[1]. They doesn't have the stigma as it does here the US and actua

by jorde 11y ago

We have pretty relaxed prison system in Finland as well and it seems to be working pretty well[1]. They doesn't have the stigma as it does here the US and actually my sister lives next to a closed prison with her small kids and it's a no biggie. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why...

megablast 11y ago
Difficult to compare the two, when Finland has a very homogeneous culture, and is tiny.
- angersock 11y ago
  Our culture might be more homogeneous if we didn't use the prison-industrial complex to foster racial tensions and divide the populace.
- jellicle 11y ago
  I often see this given as an excuse for the U.S.'s prison system, but it seems a sort of non-sequitur along the lines of "difficult to compare the two, because Finland is named Finland". Is it just a codeword for the sentiment that the U.S. has black people, and they're inherently evil, so cannot be rehabilitated or treated nicely like Finland? That seems to be the only explanation that fits. If that's what you think, why not say it? If that isn't what you meant, maybe you can explain further. For instance, you could try to finish these sentences: "The USA is a larger, richer, country, and therefore it cannot build a prison facility that holds 300 people and is rehabilitative rather than punitive because......" or for homogeneity: "The USA has a somewhat more diverse population than Finland, and therefore it cannot build a prison facility that holds 300 people and is rehabilitative rather than punitive because......" I'm curious to see what the explanation is. It certainly isn't anything obvious to me.
- EliRivers 11y ago
  I believe you are incorrect. It is, in fact, extremely easy to compare the two. Happens every day. Nobody seems to have any trouble doing it. If you meant "the comparison is not valid because something", we'd all like to hear what that something is. It can't be because it's small, because that's irrelevant (what, being big makes it impossible to have a rehabilitative justice system, does is?), and it can't be because there isn't much population diversity, because that's also irrelevant (what, some kinds of people are just natural criminals and there's nothing anyone can do about it?).

by jorde 11y ago

megablast 11y ago

Difficult to compare the two, when Finland has a very homogeneous culture, and is tiny.

angersock 11y ago
Our culture might be more homogeneous if we didn't use the prison-industrial complex to foster racial tensions and divide the populace.
jellicle 11y ago
I often see this given as an excuse for the U.S.'s prison system, but it seems a sort of non-sequitur along the lines of "difficult to compare the two, because Finland is named Finland". Is it just a codeword for the sentiment that the U.S. has black people, and they're inherently evil, so cannot be rehabilitated or treated nicely like Finland? That seems to be the only explanation that fits. If that's what you think, why not say it? If that isn't what you meant, maybe you can explain further. For instance, you could try to finish these sentences: "The USA is a larger, richer, country, and therefore it cannot build a prison facility that holds 300 people and is rehabilitative rather than punitive because......" or for homogeneity: "The USA has a somewhat more diverse population than Finland, and therefore it cannot build a prison facility that holds 300 people and is rehabilitative rather than punitive because......" I'm curious to see what the explanation is. It certainly isn't anything obvious to me.
EliRivers 11y ago
I believe you are incorrect. It is, in fact, extremely easy to compare the two. Happens every day. Nobody seems to have any trouble doing it. If you meant "the comparison is not valid because something", we'd all like to hear what that something is. It can't be because it's small, because that's irrelevant (what, being big makes it impossible to have a rehabilitative justice system, does is?), and it can't be because there isn't much population diversity, because that's also irrelevant (what, some kinds of people are just natural criminals and there's nothing anyone can do about it?).