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Just curious if you guys have also tried seeing what happens when you run the meritocracy approach to articles? Ie, let the upvotes decide. I think most of th

by l33tbro 11y ago

Just curious if you guys have also tried seeing what happens when you run the meritocracy approach to articles? Ie, let the upvotes decide. I think most of the inmates here would be surprised that they're not running the asylum :)

striking 11y ago
The upvotes do decide here, though. Mods rarely manually pull posts that aren't spam. Most are flagged by users, which either kills them or pushes them into the bottom of the rankings. And at least HN is clear about where the moderators stand. Meritocracy doesn't function. Either you have reddit, where users circlejerk into oblivion in smaller communities because votes don't matter (and larger communities don't work either, because their bigger mod teams do things like [1,2,3]) or you have StackOverflow, where upvotes and downvotes are extremely powerful and either allow you a lot of power or allow you to zap others and keep them in line. HN allows you to easily amass some karma so you can say something that isn't in line with others' opinions. Sometimes people will even upvote you and make your minority opinion prominent. Downvoting requires at least 500 karma, making sure you have the lay of the land down (and prevents spam accounts from taking down comments immediately). HN has a lot of transparency. Try enabling "showdead" in your profile. Forget uneddit, that's built in on HN. We're not inmates. We're here for the conversation. We like cool stuff and we like to talk about it. [1]: https://archive.is/CFKgq https://archive.is/CFKgq [2]: https://i.imgur.com/EWVH9RW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EWVH9RW.jpg [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3hewwm/misc_i_was_banned_from_roffmychest_for_submitting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3hewwm/misc...
- l33tbro 11y ago
  Steady on, didn't mean to "trigger" you. My comment was genuinely curious about the various approaches to moderating. I actually agree with you about the circlejerk analogy you make. But this place isn't Reddit, which is precisely why I was interested to see if it had been applied here. Oh, and If you can't see that my "inmates" comment was in jest then, as Arnold Schwartzenegger (as Dr Freeze) once declared, "You need to chill out".
derefr 11y ago
Taking a sorting algorithm that cares about absolute vote displacement, and then using it on a site where more people are exposed to higher-ranked things, and more "voters" are online at particular times of day, is not a recipe for meritocracy. Just putting it like that (while also in election season) gives me an idea, though: a site where members must either give a vote to everything that has touched the front/new page within the last 24 hours, or nothing. (Maybe even having them sort the page to provide IRV rankings rather than a sign vector.) Way fewer people would bother, but as long as it was still a representative sampling...

by l33tbro 11y ago

striking 11y ago

The upvotes do decide here, though. Mods rarely manually pull posts that aren't spam. Most are flagged by users, which either kills them or pushes them into the bottom of the rankings. And at least HN is clear about where the moderators stand. Meritocracy doesn't function. Either you have reddit, where users circlejerk into oblivion in smaller communities because votes don't matter (and larger communities don't work either, because their bigger mod teams do things like [1,2,3]) or you have StackOverflow, where upvotes and downvotes are extremely powerful and either allow you a lot of power or allow you to zap others and keep them in line. HN allows you to easily amass some karma so you can say something that isn't in line with others' opinions. Sometimes people will even upvote you and make your minority opinion prominent. Downvoting requires at least 500 karma, making sure you have the lay of the land down (and prevents spam accounts from taking down comments immediately). HN has a lot of transparency. Try enabling "showdead" in your profile. Forget uneddit, that's built in on HN. We're not inmates. We're here for the conversation. We like cool stuff and we like to talk about it. [1]: https://archive.is/CFKgq https://archive.is/CFKgq [2]: https://i.imgur.com/EWVH9RW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EWVH9RW.jpg [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3hewwm/misc_i_was_banned_from_roffmychest_for_submitting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3hewwm/misc...

l33tbro 11y ago
Steady on, didn't mean to "trigger" you. My comment was genuinely curious about the various approaches to moderating. I actually agree with you about the circlejerk analogy you make. But this place isn't Reddit, which is precisely why I was interested to see if it had been applied here. Oh, and If you can't see that my "inmates" comment was in jest then, as Arnold Schwartzenegger (as Dr Freeze) once declared, "You need to chill out".

derefr 11y ago

Taking a sorting algorithm that cares about absolute vote displacement, and then using it on a site where more people are exposed to higher-ranked things, and more "voters" are online at particular times of day, is not a recipe for meritocracy. Just putting it like that (while also in election season) gives me an idea, though: a site where members must either give a vote to everything that has touched the front/new page within the last 24 hours, or nothing. (Maybe even having them sort the page to provide IRV rankings rather than a sign vector.) Way fewer people would bother, but as long as it was still a representative sampling...