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The official accounts of its killing strongly reminded me of the way the 'link' between 9/11 and Al Qaeda was made. The passport found by a cop, a few days lat

by vidoc 11y ago

The official accounts of its killing strongly reminded me of the way the 'link' between 9/11 and Al Qaeda was made. The passport found by a cop, a few days later near ground zero :P

olewhalehunter 11y ago
The majority of "Al Qaeda"'s "organization" came from families and warlords whose financial history is extremely linked with CIA operations, their friends the Saudis, and almost all of the intel concerning that link came from the NSA, European agencies the US has administered in proxy since the start of the Cold War, and reported gossip from the aforementioned families. Are 9/11 truthers really that nutty? EDIT: Downvotes without refutations can be assumed to be public opinion bots, morons, or both.
vidoc 11y ago
for the downvoter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami#Passport_discovery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami#Passport_disco...
- meowface 11y ago
  It wasn't a cop who found it. >Suqami's passport was found by a passerby (identity unknown), reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street, before the towers collapsed.
  - vidoc 11y ago
    yeah well, then given to a cop right ?
scintill76 11y ago
The discovery: " This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed." > ... Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these [passports] were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda. ... http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Comm... Surrounding statements seem to contradict that, such as "And yet between 1992 and September 11th, 2001 we have not found any signs that intelligence, law enforcement or border inspection services sought to acquire, develop or disseminate systematic information about al Qaeda's or other terrorist groups travel and passport practices." How did they know the manipulations were al Qaeda's if nobody had been tracking their techniques for years? I guess it can be squared by presuming they cataloged some information post-9/11 (possibly including "training manuals recovered in the mid 1990s") that had been available before but not closely examined. I wonder if the determination of what al Qaeda passport techniques look like was a bit circularly-defined or sloppy, since they had little information to start with and concluded the investigation quickly.
pvg 11y ago
The link between Al Qaeda and 9/11 is an actual link, not a 'link' nor was it made solely or even primarily on the basis of the passport. If the passport hadn't been found, we'd still know who was responsible for the attack.
- vidoc 11y ago
  That's right, the actual link - Understand proof, evidence: was the Jalalabad tape. Hint: if you do understand arabic, just compare what you hear to the translation spread in the western medias ;)

by vidoc 11y ago

The official accounts of its killing strongly reminded me of the way the 'link' between 9/11 and Al Qaeda was made. The passport found by a cop, a few days later near ground zero :P

olewhalehunter 11y ago

The majority of "Al Qaeda"'s "organization" came from families and warlords whose financial history is extremely linked with CIA operations, their friends the Saudis, and almost all of the intel concerning that link came from the NSA, European agencies the US has administered in proxy since the start of the Cold War, and reported gossip from the aforementioned families. Are 9/11 truthers really that nutty? EDIT: Downvotes without refutations can be assumed to be public opinion bots, morons, or both.

vidoc 11y ago

for the downvoter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami#Passport_discovery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami#Passport_disco...

meowface 11y ago
It wasn't a cop who found it. >Suqami's passport was found by a passerby (identity unknown), reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street, before the towers collapsed.
- vidoc 11y ago
  yeah well, then given to a cop right ?

scintill76 11y ago

The discovery: " This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed." > ... Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these [passports] were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda. ... http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Comm... Surrounding statements seem to contradict that, such as "And yet between 1992 and September 11th, 2001 we have not found any signs that intelligence, law enforcement or border inspection services sought to acquire, develop or disseminate systematic information about al Qaeda's or other terrorist groups travel and passport practices." How did they know the manipulations were al Qaeda's if nobody had been tracking their techniques for years? I guess it can be squared by presuming they cataloged some information post-9/11 (possibly including "training manuals recovered in the mid 1990s") that had been available before but not closely examined. I wonder if the determination of what al Qaeda passport techniques look like was a bit circularly-defined or sloppy, since they had little information to start with and concluded the investigation quickly.

pvg 11y ago

The link between Al Qaeda and 9/11 is an actual link, not a 'link' nor was it made solely or even primarily on the basis of the passport. If the passport hadn't been found, we'd still know who was responsible for the attack.

vidoc 11y ago
That's right, the actual link - Understand proof, evidence: was the Jalalabad tape. Hint: if you do understand arabic, just compare what you hear to the translation spread in the western medias ;)