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It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the on
by pierrec 11y ago
It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.:
"The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share!
They think of it as a game. A lucrative game in which they get to win over and over again. Even those of them who may be kind to their friends and even generous with those they love, don’t really see their victims as people. Not being a member of their group makes the rest of us not quite human.
This type of tribal thinking isn’t as uncommon as you might want to believe. I’ve seen it here in the US over and over during my lifetime. Most people who suffer from it don’t consider themselves evil. They just consider the rest of us their lawful prey.
We tend to feel otherwise. Thanks for the great work Brian."
What I find a bit crass is the sensationalistic complete disclosure of identity employed - going all the way to the classical mugshot. All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT. And I'm not playing devil's advocate here, it just seems to me that the author is pushing aside his inner moral voice in order to write a more viral article. Justice is taking care of prosecuting the criminal, but let's push him further down if it can attract some pageviews. I suppose I'm simply being bitter about journalism, though.
- tptacek 11y agoYou are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?
- pierrec 11y agoFraming someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, something that I strongly believe in.
- tptacek 11y agoThe real world isn't Reddit. There is no "no-doxxing" rule in reality.
- nkurz 11y agoPierre isn't complaining that a "rule" has been broken. He's asking about the future benefit or harm to society caused by the public shaming. If 'Fly' isn't going to be put to death (I don't think you are arguing for that?), there's a likelihood that someday he will emerge from jail and be expected to re-enter society. Pierre's question is whether the treatment of 'Fly' now puts the world in a better or worse position at that future point. I think it's a legitimate concern, although I think the 'public shaming' is going to have much less impact than the years spent in foreign jail living only among other criminals. It doesn't strike me as likely that he will be in a position to re-enter society having seen the flaws of his ways.
- Retra 11y agoIf he's going to successfully re-enter society, one would imagine he would have to actually be ashamed of what he's done.
- CPLX 11y ago> whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. This concept is also often referred to by it's more common name: "journalism"
- ceejayoz 11y ago> All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT. Maybe he should find a career that's less likely to offer tempting access to other peoples' private information next time?
- fsloth 11y agoTheoretically, that shipment of heroin could have ruined his and his wifes life for good.
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- dec0dedab0de 11y agoI dunno, he picked a fight and lost, and besides that carders are just generally scummy. If it were some kid who was only guilty of breaking into corporate/government systems for the heck of it, then I could see your point.