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I doubt it, this isn't a drug cartel kingpin or mafia don we're talking about. He's just a troll.

Nadya 11y ago
Even low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media. I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hitman - he wouldn't have needed to crowdfund the heroin. So you're right in that it's more likely a small time, not-black-market-rich troll rather than someone more dangerous.
- kbenson 11y ago
  Let's not forget that getting someone in trouble and/or threatening harm/death are not the same thing as actually causing physical harm, and that is not the same as actually causing death. Just because someone is part of the underworld doesn't mean they have no qualms about ordering someone's death, and the only thing holding them back is the money.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    Revenge is one of the most powerful motivators for murder and can turn otherwise good people into hot-blooded killers [0-5]. Few people would kill indiscriminately, but if you give them a powerful enough motivation? They'll have no qualms taking a life. This guy has had his life ruined, I doubt his marriage will survive this, and he'll be spending a good portion of his life in prison in a foreign country. Furthermore, he gets to be humiliated not once - not twice - but thrice by Krebs. That's a lot of motivation to get back at a guy and it would be foolish to not even entertain the thought that he may seek revenge. I could link to hundreds if not thousands of stories about revenge killings. Hell - it's such an old motivator it's featured in many parts of Greek and Roman mythology. E: Ignoring that the reason the Witness Protection Program even exists is to protect peoples' lives after they ruin a criminal's life. [0] Possibly NSFW ; no gore but someone dies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8 [1] http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/12/ex-ira-gunman-shot-dead-in-apparent-revenge-killing http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/12/ex-ira-gunman... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009762/Man-gets-life-without-parole-revenge-killing-girl-2.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009762/Man-gets-lif... [3] http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-dad-accused-murdering-drunk-driver-killed-sons-found-not-guilty-article-1.1919158 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-dad-accused-murd... [4] http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-me-0711-van-sentencing-20150710,0,4320715.story http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-me-0711-van-sentencing... [5] http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/nearly-40-yrs-after-murder-revenge-killing-in-up/ http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/nearly-4...
    - kbenson 11y ago
      I'm not saying criminals don't kill people. I'm simply making a point about assuming all criminals are the same. There are plenty of white-collar criminals that have and will cause the death of innocent people and there are plenty of violent criminals that won't purposefully cross the line to killing a person. If for no other reason, we should be wary about stereotyping criminals because what is considered criminal is sometimes quite arbitrary and can change quite fast. How many years ago was it a felony in some states to possess more than token amounts of marijuana, or to take part in sodomy?
      - Nadya 11y ago
        What I think is dangerous is confirming that he got the Xmas card. Depending how that was sent, he has confirmed that he hasn't relocated his home and that puts him in danger. If Fly wanted revenge, he wouldn't want to hire a hit on the wrong house, now would he? Confirming his family is still in that house makes it a target for a hit or arson if Fly seeks revenge. Even if Fly was not already a criminal - merely a troll - there are now seeds of revenge planted. He doesn't need to have been a criminal or done any criminal actions for him to want to seek revenge. People who are seeking revenge can be dangerous - to deny that is to ignore millenniums of history proving otherwise. While it has been pointed out this wasn't Krebs first and likely won't be his last - and that he's likely accustomed to such things. The danger is still there. I am not trying to argue "because he is criminal, he will try to kill" I am saying "because he may seek revenge, he may try to kill". This has nothing to do with his criminality - and my bringing up his criminal behavior was more trying to shed light on "anyone can hire a hitman. they just need money and enough motivation to want someone dead." because it's a commonly held belief that only the rich and powerful (kingpins, political leaders, etc.) have connections or can hire hitmen. The motivation aspect is covered by "revenge" and "need enough money" can be covered by "criminal activity". Anyways, I'm done here. I hope he stays safe and I hope his confirming he got the Xmas card doesn't bring him or his wife/family(?) into harm.
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  - Jemmeh 11y ago
    Enough people get swatted (waste of money, some people can die, etc) that you can't just write it off, either. Krebs has been swatted before, too.
Jemmeh 11y ago
These criminals are not stealing all these credit cards for fun. It's to make money. They have money. Obviously they can throw $200 at someone just to troll him. They could pull together more if they really decided it was necessary. Money talks.
- snowwrestler 11y ago
  Online organized crime has been going on for over a decade, and Krebs has been covering it for that long too. He's quite well known in the online criminal underworld. If a well-resourced and ruthless criminal wanted Krebs dead, it would have already happened. Instead the high-end criminals seem to be mostly amused and flattered by the coverage from Krebs. They even give him email interviews sometimes. They know he can't really do anything to stop them. He's just a writer. It's generally only the new or small-time folks, who get their egos bruised, that try to harass him. These folks are generally cowards and not rich or well-connected anyway.
  - Jemmeh 11y ago
    Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. Reporters have died in the past from reporting on dangerous things. Here's a few: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... As someone else has pointed out, you don't have to be some high up gangster to hire a hitman. Or even just show up and shoot someone.
runjake 11y ago
It is most definitely organized crime. It's just a new model that people are not quite up to speed on, yet.

Nadya 11y ago

Even low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media. I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hitman - he wouldn't have needed to crowdfund the heroin. So you're right in that it's more likely a small time, not-black-market-rich troll rather than someone more dangerous.

kbenson 11y ago
Let's not forget that getting someone in trouble and/or threatening harm/death are not the same thing as actually causing physical harm, and that is not the same as actually causing death. Just because someone is part of the underworld doesn't mean they have no qualms about ordering someone's death, and the only thing holding them back is the money.
- Nadya 11y ago
  Revenge is one of the most powerful motivators for murder and can turn otherwise good people into hot-blooded killers [0-5]. Few people would kill indiscriminately, but if you give them a powerful enough motivation? They'll have no qualms taking a life. This guy has had his life ruined, I doubt his marriage will survive this, and he'll be spending a good portion of his life in prison in a foreign country. Furthermore, he gets to be humiliated not once - not twice - but thrice by Krebs. That's a lot of motivation to get back at a guy and it would be foolish to not even entertain the thought that he may seek revenge. I could link to hundreds if not thousands of stories about revenge killings. Hell - it's such an old motivator it's featured in many parts of Greek and Roman mythology. E: Ignoring that the reason the Witness Protection Program even exists is to protect peoples' lives after they ruin a criminal's life. [0] Possibly NSFW ; no gore but someone dies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8 [1] http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/12/ex-ira-gunman-shot-dead-in-apparent-revenge-killing http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/12/ex-ira-gunman... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009762/Man-gets-life-without-parole-revenge-killing-girl-2.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009762/Man-gets-lif... [3] http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-dad-accused-murdering-drunk-driver-killed-sons-found-not-guilty-article-1.1919158 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-dad-accused-murd... [4] http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-me-0711-van-sentencing-20150710,0,4320715.story http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-me-0711-van-sentencing... [5] http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/nearly-40-yrs-after-murder-revenge-killing-in-up/ http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/nearly-4...
  - kbenson 11y ago
    I'm not saying criminals don't kill people. I'm simply making a point about assuming all criminals are the same. There are plenty of white-collar criminals that have and will cause the death of innocent people and there are plenty of violent criminals that won't purposefully cross the line to killing a person. If for no other reason, we should be wary about stereotyping criminals because what is considered criminal is sometimes quite arbitrary and can change quite fast. How many years ago was it a felony in some states to possess more than token amounts of marijuana, or to take part in sodomy?
    - Nadya 11y ago
      What I think is dangerous is confirming that he got the Xmas card. Depending how that was sent, he has confirmed that he hasn't relocated his home and that puts him in danger. If Fly wanted revenge, he wouldn't want to hire a hit on the wrong house, now would he? Confirming his family is still in that house makes it a target for a hit or arson if Fly seeks revenge. Even if Fly was not already a criminal - merely a troll - there are now seeds of revenge planted. He doesn't need to have been a criminal or done any criminal actions for him to want to seek revenge. People who are seeking revenge can be dangerous - to deny that is to ignore millenniums of history proving otherwise. While it has been pointed out this wasn't Krebs first and likely won't be his last - and that he's likely accustomed to such things. The danger is still there. I am not trying to argue "because he is criminal, he will try to kill" I am saying "because he may seek revenge, he may try to kill". This has nothing to do with his criminality - and my bringing up his criminal behavior was more trying to shed light on "anyone can hire a hitman. they just need money and enough motivation to want someone dead." because it's a commonly held belief that only the rich and powerful (kingpins, political leaders, etc.) have connections or can hire hitmen. The motivation aspect is covered by "revenge" and "need enough money" can be covered by "criminal activity". Anyways, I'm done here. I hope he stays safe and I hope his confirming he got the Xmas card doesn't bring him or his wife/family(?) into harm.
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- Jemmeh 11y ago
  Enough people get swatted (waste of money, some people can die, etc) that you can't just write it off, either. Krebs has been swatted before, too.

Jemmeh 11y ago

These criminals are not stealing all these credit cards for fun. It's to make money. They have money. Obviously they can throw $200 at someone just to troll him. They could pull together more if they really decided it was necessary. Money talks.

snowwrestler 11y ago
Online organized crime has been going on for over a decade, and Krebs has been covering it for that long too. He's quite well known in the online criminal underworld. If a well-resourced and ruthless criminal wanted Krebs dead, it would have already happened. Instead the high-end criminals seem to be mostly amused and flattered by the coverage from Krebs. They even give him email interviews sometimes. They know he can't really do anything to stop them. He's just a writer. It's generally only the new or small-time folks, who get their egos bruised, that try to harass him. These folks are generally cowards and not rich or well-connected anyway.
- Jemmeh 11y ago
  Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. Reporters have died in the past from reporting on dangerous things. Here's a few: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... As someone else has pointed out, you don't have to be some high up gangster to hire a hitman. Or even just show up and shoot someone.

runjake 11y ago

It is most definitely organized crime. It's just a new model that people are not quite up to speed on, yet.