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Actually your CV can be hijacked by a recruiter, effectively keeping you out of a job. Imagine this scenario: You get a call from a recruiter. They seem to hav

Actually your CV can be hijacked by a recruiter, effectively keeping you out of a job. Imagine this scenario: You get a call from a recruiter. They seem to have an interesting position/client/network so you send over your CV. A couple of months later you are actively looking for a job, so you make a list of cool startups in your area and send your CV and a customized cover letter. They all answer that they got your CV from the recruiter and that they can't afford the recruiter's fee. They can't hire you for 6 months/2 years/indefinitely, depending on the recruiters terms. Oops. Maybe I'm exaggerating?

jsprogrammer 11y ago
Sounds like a good lawsuit against the recruiter.
- finance-geek 11y ago
  Try proving it...the evidence is stuck in some corporate recruiter system.
  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    The firm that said they had already received the CV and couldn't contract has all the evidence that is needed. Surely a firm would unite with a potential candidate to bring down scum recruiters?
baliex 11y ago
I think that's an exaggeration. That scenario could easily play out. However, if the employer genuinely has no connection to the candidate (other than having received their CV a couple of times, in different incarnations) then I don't see why they wouldn't pursue the candidate without the recruiter being in the loop.
- makerman1982 11y ago
  I can tell you why...at my Last firm, the "first submitting agency" was tied to your name on FieldGlass. You could not get around it. It was the only system you could hire thru firmwide.
  - mcv 11y ago
    How about you provide the recruiter with a fake name, and use your real name with a more accurate CV to contact the clients directly?
jleader 11y ago
Every place I've ever worked where I had any visibility into hiring, at the start of the search the company makes a decision as to who they want to deal with: hire an inside recruiter, retain a single outside recruiter (or several), or accept referrals from all outside recruiters. Once they've made that decision, when a recruiter sends them a resume, either the recruiter they're willing to work with and whose fee they've already decided they're willing to pay, or it isn't. In the latter case, they respond saying "we've got our own recruiting arrangements, thanks" and toss the resume. In that case, if the same resume comes in through a different channel later, they're under no obligation to the recruiter, and they'd be perfectly happy to hire you. I suppose if they were working with a recruiter, and later ended the relationship, that could cause the problem you describe, but I haven't seen it happen (as a job seeker, a member of many interview panels, and as a hiring manager a couple times). In theory, the recruiter isn't supposed to send resumes without the job seeker's approval, which means that when they do so, they've probably broken any agreement they have with the hiring company, so the company probably isn't bound by that agreement any longer. Whether you'd be able to convince the hiring company to take the risk of a lawsuit (that they'd presumably win) is another question, of course.
pinewurst 11y ago
No, I've seen this happen where someone's resume was spammed by unscrupulous recruiters and made them effectively persona-non-grata.
vorg 11y ago
> They all answer that they got your CV from the recruiter I've never known recruiter scum to send out a CV without my name, contact details, and references stripped out.
mcv 11y ago
Why would the company agree to a rate they can't afford? And how can this possibly be enforceable when you haven't given that recruiter any exclusivity?

jsprogrammer 11y ago

Sounds like a good lawsuit against the recruiter.

finance-geek 11y ago
Try proving it...the evidence is stuck in some corporate recruiter system.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  The firm that said they had already received the CV and couldn't contract has all the evidence that is needed. Surely a firm would unite with a potential candidate to bring down scum recruiters?

baliex 11y ago

I think that's an exaggeration. That scenario could easily play out. However, if the employer genuinely has no connection to the candidate (other than having received their CV a couple of times, in different incarnations) then I don't see why they wouldn't pursue the candidate without the recruiter being in the loop.

makerman1982 11y ago
I can tell you why...at my Last firm, the "first submitting agency" was tied to your name on FieldGlass. You could not get around it. It was the only system you could hire thru firmwide.
- mcv 11y ago
  How about you provide the recruiter with a fake name, and use your real name with a more accurate CV to contact the clients directly?

jleader 11y ago

Every place I've ever worked where I had any visibility into hiring, at the start of the search the company makes a decision as to who they want to deal with: hire an inside recruiter, retain a single outside recruiter (or several), or accept referrals from all outside recruiters. Once they've made that decision, when a recruiter sends them a resume, either the recruiter they're willing to work with and whose fee they've already decided they're willing to pay, or it isn't. In the latter case, they respond saying "we've got our own recruiting arrangements, thanks" and toss the resume. In that case, if the same resume comes in through a different channel later, they're under no obligation to the recruiter, and they'd be perfectly happy to hire you. I suppose if they were working with a recruiter, and later ended the relationship, that could cause the problem you describe, but I haven't seen it happen (as a job seeker, a member of many interview panels, and as a hiring manager a couple times). In theory, the recruiter isn't supposed to send resumes without the job seeker's approval, which means that when they do so, they've probably broken any agreement they have with the hiring company, so the company probably isn't bound by that agreement any longer. Whether you'd be able to convince the hiring company to take the risk of a lawsuit (that they'd presumably win) is another question, of course.

pinewurst 11y ago

No, I've seen this happen where someone's resume was spammed by unscrupulous recruiters and made them effectively persona-non-grata.

vorg 11y ago

> They all answer that they got your CV from the recruiter I've never known recruiter scum to send out a CV without my name, contact details, and references stripped out.

mcv 11y ago

Why would the company agree to a rate they can't afford? And how can this possibly be enforceable when you haven't given that recruiter any exclusivity?