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Holy god, that's a job in technology? Sounds like your typical retail wage slave situation here in the US. Even entry level tech jobs are in the $40-$50k range

Holy god, that's a job in technology? Sounds like your typical retail wage slave situation here in the US. Even entry level tech jobs are in the $40-$50k range generally.

gambiting 11y ago
Lol, I'm a C++ games programmer and make $30k/year. North East of England + games industry.
- CyberDildonics 11y ago
  If you are able to produce anything or contribute at all you are getting rolled. Find a new job.
- thisone 11y ago
  There is no reason you should be that badly paid up here. Look around for a new place.
- logfromblammo 11y ago
  I certainly hope you meant to type £30k/year (~$45k/year). If you're only getting $30k (~£20k/year) as a software programmer of any kind, anywhere in the world, you should seriously consider finding a new employer, even if it requires emigrating. And remote jobs still exist. Canada has the 3rd largest video games industry in the world--after the US and Japan--and its growth has strained the available talent pool. So you might consider Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, or Montreal. I have heard that UK-to-Canada emigration is more easily done than UK-to-US, though I had never had any particular motive to investigate the claim. The "games" jobs earn less on average than the less-specific category of "software" jobs, and "programmer" earns less on average than "developer" and "engineer". So if you don't move, maybe you could pad out your resume to be a "software developer" instead. I am biased somewhat by working in the US, where software writers are legion, and paid more than elsewhere, but if you have any skill at all, you can probably be paid more for work similar to what you do now.
  - gambiting 11y ago
    £20k/year is exactly what I'm on. My problem at the moment is that I've been working just a bit more than 2 years now, and I absolutely love what I'm doing. I'm part of the engine team on a game that will be one of the biggest releases of 2016, and learning a tonne every day. I got very flexible hours, private health insurance and 30 days of paid vacation days a year. It's just the pay that's abysmal. I've got two computer science degrees and everyone I know in IT makes almost twice as much as I do. But at the same time, everyone I know works for a bank or a financial institution of some kind and they hate their jobs, their bosses, and everything that I on the other hand really like. So yeah, I could quit tomorrow and probably make 2x as much straight away. Do I want to? I'm not sure, and that's my problem at the moment.
    - s73v3r 11y ago
      Absolutely none of that makes up for the abysmal pay, though. You can easily get a software development job making much, much more than that, with most, if not all of the same benefits.
      - mcv 11y ago
        I disagree. A job you love is a lot better than a job you hate. I agree $30k is ridiculously low, but if it pays enough to live the life you want, why should you get more if that would make you hate your life? There's no bigger blessing in life than to get paid for doing something you love. The most important thing though is that he's learning: that means he will still be able to get better opportunities later. Once the learning stops, it's time to get out.
        s73v3r 11y ago
        A job you love quickly can turn into a job you hate if you're scraping by. Further, I seriously question that a different job would be one that they hate.
        11y ago
- s73v3r 11y ago
  You're getting fucked. Hard. But that's what the games industry is all about. Fucking developers over, and then replacing them with fresh faced new grads who think it'd be just spiffy to work in games.
celticninja 11y ago
Not in London it isnt. £15k is below average wage, way below for London. Unless this IT job was excel monkey or perhaps keyboard cleaner original commenter is full of shit. I know trainee developers (no education but some skills) who have started off on £21k and that is low for IT in London. I find it hard to believe that any IT role in London was filled for £15k by anyone other than the most junior of people.
- blktiger 11y ago
  He didn't say that was the salary. He said the final salary was that much _less_ than what the recruiter said it would be.
- deleted 11y ago
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- mcv 11y ago
  That low, in London?! I was under the impression that London was a very expensive city, and I'd expect salaries to reflect that. £21k in a city like that sounds bizarre. Or is it after taxes, including tons of secondary benefits?
ryanSrich 11y ago
Even for entry level that seems way low. Unless of course you're referring to typical IT support and tech role, not SE.
afandian 11y ago
I think you misunderstood the comment. "£15k less salary than advertised in the offer" Means the salary was X but he was paid (X - 15k).
Encosia 11y ago
I think the $23k was a pound to dollar conversion of the amount less than advertised.

Holy god, that's a job in technology? Sounds like your typical retail wage slave situation here in the US. Even entry level tech jobs are in the $40-$50k range generally.

gambiting 11y ago

Lol, I'm a C++ games programmer and make $30k/year. North East of England + games industry.

CyberDildonics 11y ago
If you are able to produce anything or contribute at all you are getting rolled. Find a new job.
thisone 11y ago
There is no reason you should be that badly paid up here. Look around for a new place.
logfromblammo 11y ago
I certainly hope you meant to type £30k/year (~$45k/year). If you're only getting $30k (~£20k/year) as a software programmer of any kind, anywhere in the world, you should seriously consider finding a new employer, even if it requires emigrating. And remote jobs still exist. Canada has the 3rd largest video games industry in the world--after the US and Japan--and its growth has strained the available talent pool. So you might consider Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, or Montreal. I have heard that UK-to-Canada emigration is more easily done than UK-to-US, though I had never had any particular motive to investigate the claim. The "games" jobs earn less on average than the less-specific category of "software" jobs, and "programmer" earns less on average than "developer" and "engineer". So if you don't move, maybe you could pad out your resume to be a "software developer" instead. I am biased somewhat by working in the US, where software writers are legion, and paid more than elsewhere, but if you have any skill at all, you can probably be paid more for work similar to what you do now.
- gambiting 11y ago
  £20k/year is exactly what I'm on. My problem at the moment is that I've been working just a bit more than 2 years now, and I absolutely love what I'm doing. I'm part of the engine team on a game that will be one of the biggest releases of 2016, and learning a tonne every day. I got very flexible hours, private health insurance and 30 days of paid vacation days a year. It's just the pay that's abysmal. I've got two computer science degrees and everyone I know in IT makes almost twice as much as I do. But at the same time, everyone I know works for a bank or a financial institution of some kind and they hate their jobs, their bosses, and everything that I on the other hand really like. So yeah, I could quit tomorrow and probably make 2x as much straight away. Do I want to? I'm not sure, and that's my problem at the moment.
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    Absolutely none of that makes up for the abysmal pay, though. You can easily get a software development job making much, much more than that, with most, if not all of the same benefits.
    - mcv 11y ago
      I disagree. A job you love is a lot better than a job you hate. I agree $30k is ridiculously low, but if it pays enough to live the life you want, why should you get more if that would make you hate your life? There's no bigger blessing in life than to get paid for doing something you love. The most important thing though is that he's learning: that means he will still be able to get better opportunities later. Once the learning stops, it's time to get out.
      - s73v3r 11y ago
        A job you love quickly can turn into a job you hate if you're scraping by. Further, I seriously question that a different job would be one that they hate.
        11y ago
s73v3r 11y ago
You're getting fucked. Hard. But that's what the games industry is all about. Fucking developers over, and then replacing them with fresh faced new grads who think it'd be just spiffy to work in games.

celticninja 11y ago

Not in London it isnt. £15k is below average wage, way below for London. Unless this IT job was excel monkey or perhaps keyboard cleaner original commenter is full of shit. I know trainee developers (no education but some skills) who have started off on £21k and that is low for IT in London. I find it hard to believe that any IT role in London was filled for £15k by anyone other than the most junior of people.

blktiger 11y ago
He didn't say that was the salary. He said the final salary was that much _less_ than what the recruiter said it would be.
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mcv 11y ago
That low, in London?! I was under the impression that London was a very expensive city, and I'd expect salaries to reflect that. £21k in a city like that sounds bizarre. Or is it after taxes, including tons of secondary benefits?

ryanSrich 11y ago

Even for entry level that seems way low. Unless of course you're referring to typical IT support and tech role, not SE.

afandian 11y ago

I think you misunderstood the comment. "£15k less salary than advertised in the offer" Means the salary was X but he was paid (X - 15k).

Encosia 11y ago

I think the $23k was a pound to dollar conversion of the amount less than advertised.