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You clearly don't have a clue about how things are here in the EU. Few weeks ago one of these charitable souls deceived a co-worker offering him an incredible o

by joeyspn 11y ago

You clearly don't have a clue about how things are here in the EU. Few weeks ago one of these charitable souls deceived a co-worker offering him an incredible opportunity to move to London and the result was: - £15k ($23k) less salary than advertised in the offer - No benefits (healthcare, dental, etc) - No free food/snacks/bevare at the company - No perks (equipment, etc) When questioned about this, the recruiter said: hey! impossible to get this, this is were I make my money you know!. How is this a "fantastic offer for an engineering job in a comfortable office with great pay and great working conditions"?

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Loque 11y ago
This is why I dislike them - I get sent jobs from recruiters and it irks me to not know the cut they are taking (and I can only guess it is above their actual value). If they were completely open about it, maybe it would improve the state of the industry?
blisterpeanuts 11y ago
Recruiters sometimes lie or exaggerate. That's nothing new. Actually, they have to do it, to show their bosses that they're getting warm bodies into interviews. Did your co-worker actually take this job, without doing the due diligence of reading the contract and the offer letter?
nordic_nomad 11y ago
Holy god, that's a job in technology? Sounds like your typical retail wage slave situation here in the US. Even entry level tech jobs are in the $40-$50k range generally.
- gambiting 11y ago
  Lol, I'm a C++ games programmer and make $30k/year. North East of England + games industry.
  - CyberDildonics 11y ago
    If you are able to produce anything or contribute at all you are getting rolled. Find a new job.
  - thisone 11y ago
    There is no reason you should be that badly paid up here. Look around for a new place.
  - logfromblammo 11y ago
    I certainly hope you meant to type £30k/year (~$45k/year). If you're only getting $30k (~£20k/year) as a software programmer of any kind, anywhere in the world, you should seriously consider finding a new employer, even if it requires emigrating. And remote jobs still exist. Canada has the 3rd largest video games industry in the world--after the US and Japan--and its growth has strained the available talent pool. So you might consider Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, or Montreal. I have heard that UK-to-Canada emigration is more easily done than UK-to-US, though I had never had any particular motive to investigate the claim. The "games" jobs earn less on average than the less-specific category of "software" jobs, and "programmer" earns less on average than "developer" and "engineer". So if you don't move, maybe you could pad out your resume to be a "software developer" instead. I am biased somewhat by working in the US, where software writers are legion, and paid more than elsewhere, but if you have any skill at all, you can probably be paid more for work similar to what you do now.
    - gambiting 11y ago
      £20k/year is exactly what I'm on. My problem at the moment is that I've been working just a bit more than 2 years now, and I absolutely love what I'm doing. I'm part of the engine team on a game that will be one of the biggest releases of 2016, and learning a tonne every day. I got very flexible hours, private health insurance and 30 days of paid vacation days a year. It's just the pay that's abysmal. I've got two computer science degrees and everyone I know in IT makes almost twice as much as I do. But at the same time, everyone I know works for a bank or a financial institution of some kind and they hate their jobs, their bosses, and everything that I on the other hand really like. So yeah, I could quit tomorrow and probably make 2x as much straight away. Do I want to? I'm not sure, and that's my problem at the moment.
- celticninja 11y ago
  Not in London it isnt. £15k is below average wage, way below for London. Unless this IT job was excel monkey or perhaps keyboard cleaner original commenter is full of shit. I know trainee developers (no education but some skills) who have started off on £21k and that is low for IT in London. I find it hard to believe that any IT role in London was filled for £15k by anyone other than the most junior of people.
  - blktiger 11y ago
    He didn't say that was the salary. He said the final salary was that much _less_ than what the recruiter said it would be.
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  - mcv 11y ago
    That low, in London?! I was under the impression that London was a very expensive city, and I'd expect salaries to reflect that. £21k in a city like that sounds bizarre. Or is it after taxes, including tons of secondary benefits?
- ryanSrich 11y ago
  Even for entry level that seems way low. Unless of course you're referring to typical IT support and tech role, not SE.
- afandian 11y ago
  I think you misunderstood the comment. "£15k less salary than advertised in the offer" Means the salary was X but he was paid (X - 15k).
- Encosia 11y ago
  I think the $23k was a pound to dollar conversion of the amount less than advertised.
celticninja 11y ago
To be fair your friend got fucked over but predominantly because he didn't read the contract. If he was offered £40k and then a contract came and he signed it without checking, his fuck up. If he didnt sign a contract and moved cities on the word of an individual he fucked up. If he didnt attend and interview or discuss these perks prior to signing a contract he fucked up. If he was genuinely misled then he can actually make a complaint and pursue it but it sounds like he didnt do much checking at all.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  ?? It sounds like he read the contract/offer and that it wasn't at all like he had previously discussed with the recruiter.
  - celticninja 11y ago
    Ah now that is different, I interpreted it as he took the job and then found out after it was a done deal.
gorena 11y ago
Healthcare is a benefit in the UK? I thought it was socialized?
- DanBC 11y ago
  The NHS provides mostly excellent free health care. (Some non-urgent but unplanned stuff can be frustrating). But you can also pay privately for treatment. I'm not sure why you would chose to do so - you get a private room but not much else. (There's a possibility you get slightly worse outcomes) Dental isn't free even on the NHS (although many people get exemptions) so paying gets you better dentists, with better wait times, and more cosmetic options.

by joeyspn 11y ago

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Loque 11y ago

This is why I dislike them - I get sent jobs from recruiters and it irks me to not know the cut they are taking (and I can only guess it is above their actual value). If they were completely open about it, maybe it would improve the state of the industry?

blisterpeanuts 11y ago

Recruiters sometimes lie or exaggerate. That's nothing new. Actually, they have to do it, to show their bosses that they're getting warm bodies into interviews. Did your co-worker actually take this job, without doing the due diligence of reading the contract and the offer letter?

nordic_nomad 11y ago

Holy god, that's a job in technology? Sounds like your typical retail wage slave situation here in the US. Even entry level tech jobs are in the $40-$50k range generally.

gambiting 11y ago
Lol, I'm a C++ games programmer and make $30k/year. North East of England + games industry.
- CyberDildonics 11y ago
  If you are able to produce anything or contribute at all you are getting rolled. Find a new job.
- thisone 11y ago
  There is no reason you should be that badly paid up here. Look around for a new place.
- logfromblammo 11y ago
  I certainly hope you meant to type £30k/year (~$45k/year). If you're only getting $30k (~£20k/year) as a software programmer of any kind, anywhere in the world, you should seriously consider finding a new employer, even if it requires emigrating. And remote jobs still exist. Canada has the 3rd largest video games industry in the world--after the US and Japan--and its growth has strained the available talent pool. So you might consider Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, or Montreal. I have heard that UK-to-Canada emigration is more easily done than UK-to-US, though I had never had any particular motive to investigate the claim. The "games" jobs earn less on average than the less-specific category of "software" jobs, and "programmer" earns less on average than "developer" and "engineer". So if you don't move, maybe you could pad out your resume to be a "software developer" instead. I am biased somewhat by working in the US, where software writers are legion, and paid more than elsewhere, but if you have any skill at all, you can probably be paid more for work similar to what you do now.
  - gambiting 11y ago
    £20k/year is exactly what I'm on. My problem at the moment is that I've been working just a bit more than 2 years now, and I absolutely love what I'm doing. I'm part of the engine team on a game that will be one of the biggest releases of 2016, and learning a tonne every day. I got very flexible hours, private health insurance and 30 days of paid vacation days a year. It's just the pay that's abysmal. I've got two computer science degrees and everyone I know in IT makes almost twice as much as I do. But at the same time, everyone I know works for a bank or a financial institution of some kind and they hate their jobs, their bosses, and everything that I on the other hand really like. So yeah, I could quit tomorrow and probably make 2x as much straight away. Do I want to? I'm not sure, and that's my problem at the moment.
celticninja 11y ago
Not in London it isnt. £15k is below average wage, way below for London. Unless this IT job was excel monkey or perhaps keyboard cleaner original commenter is full of shit. I know trainee developers (no education but some skills) who have started off on £21k and that is low for IT in London. I find it hard to believe that any IT role in London was filled for £15k by anyone other than the most junior of people.
- blktiger 11y ago
  He didn't say that was the salary. He said the final salary was that much _less_ than what the recruiter said it would be.
- deleted 11y ago
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- mcv 11y ago
  That low, in London?! I was under the impression that London was a very expensive city, and I'd expect salaries to reflect that. £21k in a city like that sounds bizarre. Or is it after taxes, including tons of secondary benefits?
ryanSrich 11y ago
Even for entry level that seems way low. Unless of course you're referring to typical IT support and tech role, not SE.
afandian 11y ago
I think you misunderstood the comment. "£15k less salary than advertised in the offer" Means the salary was X but he was paid (X - 15k).
Encosia 11y ago
I think the $23k was a pound to dollar conversion of the amount less than advertised.

celticninja 11y ago

To be fair your friend got fucked over but predominantly because he didn't read the contract. If he was offered £40k and then a contract came and he signed it without checking, his fuck up. If he didnt sign a contract and moved cities on the word of an individual he fucked up. If he didnt attend and interview or discuss these perks prior to signing a contract he fucked up. If he was genuinely misled then he can actually make a complaint and pursue it but it sounds like he didnt do much checking at all.

jsprogrammer 11y ago
?? It sounds like he read the contract/offer and that it wasn't at all like he had previously discussed with the recruiter.
- celticninja 11y ago
  Ah now that is different, I interpreted it as he took the job and then found out after it was a done deal.

gorena 11y ago

Healthcare is a benefit in the UK? I thought it was socialized?

DanBC 11y ago
The NHS provides mostly excellent free health care. (Some non-urgent but unplanned stuff can be frustrating). But you can also pay privately for treatment. I'm not sure why you would chose to do so - you get a private room but not much else. (There's a possibility you get slightly worse outcomes) Dental isn't free even on the NHS (although many people get exemptions) so paying gets you better dentists, with better wait times, and more cosmetic options.