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Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S
- pavel_lishin 11y agoThat's the problem when you're being hunted; you can't slip up even once. The people chasing you can make all the mistakes they want; you have to make zero.
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- nycnycnyc22233 11y agoread the article dummy.
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- mring33621 11y ago"I say to you againe, doe not call up Any that you can not put downe"
- thaumasiotes 11y agoThis sounds like advice never to begin farming.
- wglb 11y agoAs a farm boy who grew up on a wheat farm, at the end of the season after harvesting the wheat that we had "brought up" in the spring or the previous winter, we would plow the remainder under, bringing it down again.
- thaumasiotes 11y agoThere are people who will tell you that agriculture was just a giant mistake on the part of some enterprising hunter-gatherers, since it locked all of humanity in to agriculture forever.
- icehawk219 11y agoOne thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court even if the police did accept it and act upon it? And doesn't it expose me to potential legal problems as well?
- klodolph 11y agoThis is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violation. But if they have a warrant to search the computer, it is admissible. If the judge who issued the warrant made a mistake and shouldn't have issued the warrant, the evidence is still admissible. This last situation also surprises people.
- icehawk219 11y agoThat makes surprisingly good sense. The more you know. :) Thanks.
- x5n1 11y agoSurprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.
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- steven2012 11y agoOP seems a bit naive, but I can't believe it given everything he's written. Of course the Fly won't send threats over mail, he knows everything he writes is being watched. I would be worried, however, that he somehow gets word to someone to exact his revenge, since he really has nothing to lose at this point.
- Nadya 11y agoI agree with you entirely. Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person. I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that doesn't have risk of being burned down if Fly manages to contact anyone. Anyone deep enough in the criminal scene has connections to people that can make bad things happen to other people for the right price. This isn't something I'd be posting about on a blog as if it's some sort of crime detective story... his life and his wife's life could potentially be in danger.
- rubbingalcohol 11y agoI doubt it, this isn't a drug cartel kingpin or mafia don we're talking about. He's just a troll.
- Nadya 11y agoEven low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media. I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hitman - he wouldn't have needed to crowdfund the heroin. So you're right in that it's more likely a small time, not-black-market-rich troll rather than someone more dangerous.
- mmanfrin 11y agoPayment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.
- Shebanator 11y agoBut they make great pizza there...
- balls187 11y agoNot really.
- mmanfrin 11y agoI agree with you there -- and the Naples Underground (old cisterns that became bomb shelters) are neat, and Pompeii is an hour away. Those, however, are the sole 3 reasons for going. I tell my friends who visit Italy that if they pass through Naples, you go to Da Michele and get 2 pizzas, check out the underground, take a daytrip to Pompeii, and then get the away from Naples asap.
- carlob 11y agoWhat about the Museo Nazionale Romano? The Museo di Capodimonte? Castel nuovo? Gothic and Baroque churches? Art nouveau architecture? Ischia and Procida? You clearly haven't spent nearly enough time exploring, probably because of your preconceptions.
- mmanfrin 11y agoI forgot the Museo Nazionale. There are a lot of interesting things in Naples, but many of those things can be seen in other cities. My dislike of Naples is not a preconception, it is a conception borne from experiences I had in the city. But thank you for the ad hominem that I "clearly haven't spent nearly enough time exploring".
- rufugee 11y agoso I began looking through databases of hacked carding and cybercrime forums Where does one acquire these databases? Genuinely curious...
- Jemmeh 11y agoCredit card data is stolen all the time. Card skimmers, cell phones, cameras, just writing it down while working somewhere, pulled out of compromised email accounts, etc etc the list goes on. Criminals then upload them and sell that data online.
- comrh 11y agoRead through Kreb's archive, he has screenshots and more info. If I remember correctly one was on the clearnet but required some sort of verification before you got access.
- data_spy 11y agoI've been a fan of Krebs for a while. He get's a lot of access and information from other hackers (that were pissed at another hacker) or security analysts. Gotta give him props though, he taught himself a lot, including learning Russian
- comrh 11y agoI think one of his best features is his follow through too. Real good journalistic nose for following a lead.
- mhurron 11y agoBrian Krebs has done this once or twice, so he's built a collection of resources already making it a lot easier for him. A simple answer would be there is more to onion sites and 'the dark web' than just the Silk Road.
- imperialdrive 11y agoI've had to decide to face down evil before... I went forward and it landed people in prison. I know I did the 'right' thing, but I didn't sleep well until moving away and wiping my online identity. I salute your work and wish you the best.
- pierrec 11y agoIt's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.: "The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share! They think of it as a game. A lucrative game in which they get to win over and over again. Even those of them who may be kind to their friends and even generous with those they love, don’t really see their victims as people. Not being a member of their group makes the rest of us not quite human. This type of tribal thinking isn’t as uncommon as you might want to believe. I’ve seen it here in the US over and over during my lifetime. Most people who suffer from it don’t consider themselves evil. They just consider the rest of us their lawful prey. We tend to feel otherwise. Thanks for the great work Brian." What I find a bit crass is the sensationalistic complete disclosure of identity employed - going all the way to the classical mugshot. All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT. And I'm not playing devil's advocate here, it just seems to me that the author is pushing aside his inner moral voice in order to write a more viral article. Justice is taking care of prosecuting the criminal, but let's push him further down if it can attract some pageviews. I suppose I'm simply being bitter about journalism, though.
- tptacek 11y agoYou are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?
- pierrec 11y agoFraming someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, something that I strongly believe in.
- gtrubetskoy 11y ago'(“cc” is a reference to credit cards)' - CC (and MUXACC1) is not a reference to credit cards, it's a reference to the Tsetse Fly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsetse_fly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsetse_fly which spreads Sleeping Sickness - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_trypanosomiasis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_trypanosomiasis - for whatever reason it's part of the Russian folklore used as a metaphor for something particularly nasty. Edit: (thanks rnovak!) apparently "cc" in thecc[dot]bz _is_ credit cards, though the CC in MUXACC1 is definitely a reference to Tsetse.
- rnovak 11y agoUh, he's referring to thecc[dot]bz which is a carding forum, which literally refers to credit cards (and is extremely common[1][2]). That excerpt is also nowhere near the MUXACC1 reference. [1] http://www.acronymfinder.com/Credit-Card-(CC).html http://www.acronymfinder.com/Credit-Card-(CC).html [2] https://books.google.com/books?id=lGC2AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT48&lpg=PT48&dq=cc+abbreviation+credit+card&source=bl&ots=P4wmfyHr6o&sig=mIBAEuNy4EoEW0VCdx9RR4fG9vc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBjgKahUKEwiD3o_H5cfIAhUW0WMKHaz2ClI#v=onepage&q=cc%20abbreviation%20credit%20card&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=lGC2AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT48&lpg=P...
- fjordames 11y agoNot to simplistically vilify an entire city but Naples is a horrible, horrible place.
- hackuser 11y agoThis statement has very serious implications: According to a trusted source in the security community, that email account was somehow compromised in 2013. The source said the account was full of emailed reports from a keylogging device ... If I understand "security community" to mean law enforcement or intelligence agencies, that means they are sharing data from surveillance of private individuals with journalists. This suggests that assurances about the security of that data and the integrity of their processes are not reliable. Who else is given this data? You may like Krebs and think it's justified, but who decides whose private data is ok to leak? What about your private data?
- jcrawfordor 11y agoI'm not sure that I agree with your policework there. The "security community" here almost certainly refers to a private security researcher or firm. I can't see why it would have been a government source. In general direct information sharing is one of the most important things in information security, but the government has its hands tied in this area in a way that private companies do not.
- tonyarkles 11y agoA really interesting thing that isn't mentioned in the article, and I don't know that I've got all the facts right: is he being extradited to the U.S. for these crimes, while having never set foot in the country? Does that freak anyone else out?
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