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I don't know if Insex was that influential that it influenced the modern "torture porn" films. Those were brewing for a long time since the exploitation films o

I don't know if Insex was that influential that it influenced the modern "torture porn" films. Those were brewing for a long time since the exploitation films of the 70s onward. The interview was definitely an Insex plot device, as well. Though my point was the S/M subculture should not really be viewed negatively or marginalized. I somewhat received that sentiment from your parent post.

sandworm101 11y ago
Give insex time. Playboy has been around for generations. Insex did interviews during, Kink cut those. Kink does interviews afterwards, out of character, as evidence that the violence was consensual. These are not normally reproduced in filesharing communities. So when someone downloads one of these via filesharing it often looks fare worse than it is. Some investigator (me) then has to dig up the interview to assure the client the violence was staged. This all goes into a report, and a few encrypted thumbdrives, to be filed away in case someone comes knocking in the future with wrongful dismissal or sexual harassment allegations.
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  I can see how that'd be painful, though not the fault of the producers. Is Kink and Insex-level stuff the worst of legal/gray area pornography that you have to analyze, because that'd be surprising.
  - sandworm101 11y ago
    I don't know about worst. There is some pretty strange stuff out of japan, but it isn't as violent. There are a couple Russian websites that make Kink look like Disney in terms of violence, but they aren't a sexual with it. They are annoying because they don't comply with s2257 recordkeeping requirements. Most people would be shocked at how many overseas sites don't comply. That law only applies to "actual sexually explicit conduct" ... not all pornography and certainly not simple nudity.
    - kristofferR 11y ago
      Why would people be shocked about that? I really hope most people aren't expecting US web sites to follow Russian media laws (and vice versa), that would be horribly undemocratic.
- anigbrowl 11y ago
  The ones I have seen do interviews both before and after. I sampled 10 kink.com 'films' via the Pirate Bay and none of them had been edited (in terms of removing the intro interviews, I didn't wait for the downloads to complete). It may well be that some providers or the viewer themselves edits these out, and I appreciate that if you are not receptive to such material then perusing it for legal purposes must be distressing. But I hardly think it's fair to blame the media creator for what happens to their content afterwards, given that the various 'porn tube' sites seem to reduce everything to 5 or 10 minute clips of the most explicit bits. I certainly don't mean to make light of your concerns. I can appreciate that involuntarily dealing with this material is depressing at best and dehumanizing at worst, and have often made the case for censorship and government intrusion in regards to contraband material such as child porn on both legal and moral grounds. However, I am unable to understand your seeming animus towards an individual production company, notwithstanding its prolific output and the exploitative tone of its branding.

sandworm101 11y ago

Give insex time. Playboy has been around for generations. Insex did interviews during, Kink cut those. Kink does interviews afterwards, out of character, as evidence that the violence was consensual. These are not normally reproduced in filesharing communities. So when someone downloads one of these via filesharing it often looks fare worse than it is. Some investigator (me) then has to dig up the interview to assure the client the violence was staged. This all goes into a report, and a few encrypted thumbdrives, to be filed away in case someone comes knocking in the future with wrongful dismissal or sexual harassment allegations.

vezzy-fnord 11y ago
I can see how that'd be painful, though not the fault of the producers. Is Kink and Insex-level stuff the worst of legal/gray area pornography that you have to analyze, because that'd be surprising.
- sandworm101 11y ago
  I don't know about worst. There is some pretty strange stuff out of japan, but it isn't as violent. There are a couple Russian websites that make Kink look like Disney in terms of violence, but they aren't a sexual with it. They are annoying because they don't comply with s2257 recordkeeping requirements. Most people would be shocked at how many overseas sites don't comply. That law only applies to "actual sexually explicit conduct" ... not all pornography and certainly not simple nudity.
  - kristofferR 11y ago
    Why would people be shocked about that? I really hope most people aren't expecting US web sites to follow Russian media laws (and vice versa), that would be horribly undemocratic.
anigbrowl 11y ago
The ones I have seen do interviews both before and after. I sampled 10 kink.com 'films' via the Pirate Bay and none of them had been edited (in terms of removing the intro interviews, I didn't wait for the downloads to complete). It may well be that some providers or the viewer themselves edits these out, and I appreciate that if you are not receptive to such material then perusing it for legal purposes must be distressing. But I hardly think it's fair to blame the media creator for what happens to their content afterwards, given that the various 'porn tube' sites seem to reduce everything to 5 or 10 minute clips of the most explicit bits. I certainly don't mean to make light of your concerns. I can appreciate that involuntarily dealing with this material is depressing at best and dehumanizing at worst, and have often made the case for censorship and government intrusion in regards to contraband material such as child porn on both legal and moral grounds. However, I am unable to understand your seeming animus towards an individual production company, notwithstanding its prolific output and the exploitative tone of its branding.