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>the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard) The original poster did not claim that. The poster

>the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard) The original poster did not claim that. The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income. >behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty Such as? I'm not sure lazy and sloppy are really behaviors or attitudes. They seem to just be your subjective judgement of someone else. Behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty are probably those that inhibit learning.

Consultant32452 11y ago
But I'm white, speak English, was born to a middle class family that valued education, and sit in the air conditioning all day for work. I'm clearly a hard worker. Now the guy who cuts my lawn? He was born in another country, came from a family that didn't value education or even speak English, and his office is 100 degrees in the summer here. He's clearly lazy.
- galfarragem 11y ago
  'You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.' - Tony Robbins I'm center/right wing also but coming from a poor neighborhood I know that things are not so clear as you say. It takes an _huge_ effort to get out from that way of life specially when you are younger. I was lucky to have a family that value learning but I know that it was a minority there. Most school friends at the time didn't have ANY books at home and their parents didn't care about that. Yes, some people are lazy. Yes, most people are proud ignorants. But the surrounding culture took them there. Among rich families there are lazy people also but their 'infrastructure' simplifies a lot their life. e.g. Rich people can afford to hire people to help them with chores so they have more time for themselves. Poor people can't so their chores start to accumulate and everything around them seems sloppy.. to complicate the situation they are used to it once most people around them do the same.
jqm 11y ago
"The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income." Wait...how exactly is that different from "working too hard to exercise"? Sure, everything is subjective. Everything is a matter of degree and scale and perspective. Still... certain attitudes and behaviors are more likely to result in certain outcomes. This is true irrespective of "who is at fault".
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  You have not defined "too hard". AFAIK As it stands, it appears to be a value judgement and not one of fact.
  - jqm 11y ago
    Is what you are saying a value judgement or is it factual? :)
    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      There's an argument that everything is a value judgement. However, you'd only need to show where you defined "too hard" to contradict my statement.

Consultant32452 11y ago

But I'm white, speak English, was born to a middle class family that valued education, and sit in the air conditioning all day for work. I'm clearly a hard worker. Now the guy who cuts my lawn? He was born in another country, came from a family that didn't value education or even speak English, and his office is 100 degrees in the summer here. He's clearly lazy.

galfarragem 11y ago
'You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.' - Tony Robbins I'm center/right wing also but coming from a poor neighborhood I know that things are not so clear as you say. It takes an _huge_ effort to get out from that way of life specially when you are younger. I was lucky to have a family that value learning but I know that it was a minority there. Most school friends at the time didn't have ANY books at home and their parents didn't care about that. Yes, some people are lazy. Yes, most people are proud ignorants. But the surrounding culture took them there. Among rich families there are lazy people also but their 'infrastructure' simplifies a lot their life. e.g. Rich people can afford to hire people to help them with chores so they have more time for themselves. Poor people can't so their chores start to accumulate and everything around them seems sloppy.. to complicate the situation they are used to it once most people around them do the same.

jqm 11y ago

"The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income." Wait...how exactly is that different from "working too hard to exercise"? Sure, everything is subjective. Everything is a matter of degree and scale and perspective. Still... certain attitudes and behaviors are more likely to result in certain outcomes. This is true irrespective of "who is at fault".

jsprogrammer 11y ago
You have not defined "too hard". AFAIK As it stands, it appears to be a value judgement and not one of fact.
- jqm 11y ago
  Is what you are saying a value judgement or is it factual? :)
  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    There's an argument that everything is a value judgement. However, you'd only need to show where you defined "too hard" to contradict my statement.