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Woah, I think you're way off here. All class systems are a result of how you're raised. Raise a "poor" person in a rich family and they will be smarter, more he

Woah, I think you're way off here. All class systems are a result of how you're raised. Raise a "poor" person in a rich family and they will be smarter, more healthy, etc. Likewise take a rich baby and put it in a poor family and watch it's environment mold it. Humans in general are striking similar physically. We are all homo-sapiens. It's almost entirely nurture, it was sad to read your comment because to deny that being raised by parents who are often tired, overworked, underfed, undereducated, etc, etc, doesn't continue a cycle.

biomcgary 11y ago
What published studies with adequate controls and replication show that "It's almost entirely nurture"? Do you think genetic variance between individuals is irrelevant for life outcomes? If genetics is not entirely irrelevant, do you think it might cumulatively affect individuals through a gene-by-environment interaction?
rizzom5000 11y ago
> It's almost entirely nurture It might depend on what variables you're referring to, but according to some famous studies done on identical twins separated at birth; intelligence and personality are about 70% genetic and 30% environment. While these studies conclusively suggest that it's actually 'almost entirely nature', I agree that the potential 30% disadvantage is something that can and should be fixed.
jqm 11y ago
I don't know how much nature/nurture is involved. I assume some percentage of each in most cases. And, I'm not blaming victims nor suggesting people pull themselves up by their bootstraps in the face of massive adversity (which is what people often appear to assume when "responsibility" is mentioned). Very simply, I don't think being overworked is the leading cause of the negative correlation between poverty and exercise (if one even exists). Instead, a confounding variable (a behavior or attitude) common to both poverty and lack of exercise exists and results in a manifestation of both (in most, but certainly not all cases).

biomcgary 11y ago

What published studies with adequate controls and replication show that "It's almost entirely nurture"? Do you think genetic variance between individuals is irrelevant for life outcomes? If genetics is not entirely irrelevant, do you think it might cumulatively affect individuals through a gene-by-environment interaction?

rizzom5000 11y ago

> It's almost entirely nurture It might depend on what variables you're referring to, but according to some famous studies done on identical twins separated at birth; intelligence and personality are about 70% genetic and 30% environment. While these studies conclusively suggest that it's actually 'almost entirely nature', I agree that the potential 30% disadvantage is something that can and should be fixed.

jqm 11y ago

I don't know how much nature/nurture is involved. I assume some percentage of each in most cases. And, I'm not blaming victims nor suggesting people pull themselves up by their bootstraps in the face of massive adversity (which is what people often appear to assume when "responsibility" is mentioned). Very simply, I don't think being overworked is the leading cause of the negative correlation between poverty and exercise (if one even exists). Instead, a confounding variable (a behavior or attitude) common to both poverty and lack of exercise exists and results in a manifestation of both (in most, but certainly not all cases).