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I can honestly say I have never heard the word "brogrammer" Anyway, I like how this article has a lot of facts. I dislike many other things. Diversity is grea

I can honestly say I have never heard the word "brogrammer" Anyway, I like how this article has a lot of facts. I dislike many other things. Diversity is great, it is an awesome thing to have, promote and embrace. But you can only do so much to force it. At some point, if females choose to stay out of tech, thats their choice. If they choose to get into tech thats great too. The fundamental idea of forcing society to change to have a higher proportion of women employed in "STEM" jobs is absurd. Personally, I know quite a few women (a much higher proportion than men) who went through STEM programs in highschool only to go into bio or environmental Engineering. Guess what? There aren't all that many jobs in those fields compared to more traditional tech/generic engineering roles. Some of them left their respective fields within a year for that reason alone

funkysquid 11y ago
Sure - stack everything against women working in tech - early education, hiring, work environment - and then if "they choose to stay out of tech, I guess that's their choice."
- scottmwinters 11y ago
  how is everything stacked against them? None of those 3 things are true. Early education is identical. Most tech companies try very hard to hire women to help their statistics and diversity work environment? Modern HR is pretty damn strict on things like sexual harassment so please, back up that point...I dont even know what you could be arguing
  - funkysquid 11y ago
    Girls are discouraged from studying STEM from an early age, as the infographic mentions. Some tech companies do try to hire women, but many don't care. And sexual harassment is not the only problem facing women in the workplace.
    - scottmwinters 11y ago
      Please back up ANY of those points. From personal experience, I saw girls encouraged to get into STEM...my high school had a STEM program that only took up to 50% males. Not caring about whether they hire males or females is exactly how is should be. It would be awesome if gender wasn't a factor at all..but I dont believe thats what you want. What are these terrible problems in the workplace that only women are facing? At my first job out of school (tech job at a tech company), I sat to eat lunch with 2 females and 1 other male, all fresh out of school. We talked about salaries. Both men had negotiated for a high salary and used competing offers as leverage. Both females said they had other offers but didn't negotiate any of them. Sounds to me like a common case where the women SHOULD be paid less...simply because they didn't try
omginternets 11y ago
>I like how this article has a lot of facts. I humbly encourage you to look at the sources they provide: http://www.nextgeneration.ie/sources-women-in-tech-project http://www.nextgeneration.ie/sources-women-in-tech-project I find an overwhelming proportion of secondary & tertiary sources, very few empirical sources whatsoever, and a large majority of political opinion pieces and mainstream media coverage of feminist politics. I don't think this infographic is the fruit of intellectually-honest research.
- scottmwinters 11y ago
  Without looking at sources, I assumed that the percentages were accurate..and there are quite a few of those. I dont think they come close to making the point that the author is making, but they seemed factual.

funkysquid 11y ago

Sure - stack everything against women working in tech - early education, hiring, work environment - and then if "they choose to stay out of tech, I guess that's their choice."

scottmwinters 11y ago
how is everything stacked against them? None of those 3 things are true. Early education is identical. Most tech companies try very hard to hire women to help their statistics and diversity work environment? Modern HR is pretty damn strict on things like sexual harassment so please, back up that point...I dont even know what you could be arguing
- funkysquid 11y ago
  Girls are discouraged from studying STEM from an early age, as the infographic mentions. Some tech companies do try to hire women, but many don't care. And sexual harassment is not the only problem facing women in the workplace.
  - scottmwinters 11y ago
    Please back up ANY of those points. From personal experience, I saw girls encouraged to get into STEM...my high school had a STEM program that only took up to 50% males. Not caring about whether they hire males or females is exactly how is should be. It would be awesome if gender wasn't a factor at all..but I dont believe thats what you want. What are these terrible problems in the workplace that only women are facing? At my first job out of school (tech job at a tech company), I sat to eat lunch with 2 females and 1 other male, all fresh out of school. We talked about salaries. Both men had negotiated for a high salary and used competing offers as leverage. Both females said they had other offers but didn't negotiate any of them. Sounds to me like a common case where the women SHOULD be paid less...simply because they didn't try

omginternets 11y ago

>I like how this article has a lot of facts. I humbly encourage you to look at the sources they provide: http://www.nextgeneration.ie/sources-women-in-tech-project http://www.nextgeneration.ie/sources-women-in-tech-project I find an overwhelming proportion of secondary & tertiary sources, very few empirical sources whatsoever, and a large majority of political opinion pieces and mainstream media coverage of feminist politics. I don't think this infographic is the fruit of intellectually-honest research.

scottmwinters 11y ago
Without looking at sources, I assumed that the percentages were accurate..and there are quite a few of those. I dont think they come close to making the point that the author is making, but they seemed factual.