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I've worked on hydrogen fuel-cells, and I wasn't particularly enthused by them. However, passing off a competitor (Tesla's Elon Musk) trashing the competition a

I've worked on hydrogen fuel-cells, and I wasn't particularly enthused by them. However, passing off a competitor (Tesla's Elon Musk) trashing the competition as a factual "we've known" reeks of fanboyism and idol worship.

toomuchtodo 11y ago
Its not fanboyism at all. How many Model S vehicles are in the wild? They can charge almost anywhere, have range above 250 miles per charge, and have a Supercharger network that's fully operational. (And that's only the Model S, I neglect the Leaf for the moment even though there are for more in the wild, regardless of their range) How many fuel cell vehicles are in consumer hands? Can they charge at home? Do they have a nationwide refueling network?
- avmich 11y ago
  Pointing to existing state of affairs as an argument why this is ever more efficient is to deny the existence of progress, which is clearly wrong. Current advantage of electromobiles on the market over hydrogen cars is not important.
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TeMPOraL 11y ago
It may be in general case, but Musk earned the trust for being precise and honest - so it's more like listening to the opinion of a proven specialist in the field (with a staff full of experts behind him to call him on his mistakes).
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Nailed it.
  - avmich 11y ago
    Musk is known to make predictions which fail and to make announcements which are either false or misleading. Musk does a lot - but says even more, and some of what he says robs him of trust.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      He seems to have a typical engineer problem with underestimating time, but at least is not trying to bullshit anyone; even in his "misleading" announcements he's straigth and to the point. You can see that he honestly does his best to deliver. It's a refreshing quality.
      - avmich 11y ago
        May be he doesn't know something? Elon several times praised Merlin engines - which are certainly quite impressive. But he seemingly omitted some other rocket engines which were technically even better. He's very good in delivering - and delivering a lot, but I think he still promises even more. And that's not too typical for engineers.

toomuchtodo 11y ago

Its not fanboyism at all. How many Model S vehicles are in the wild? They can charge almost anywhere, have range above 250 miles per charge, and have a Supercharger network that's fully operational. (And that's only the Model S, I neglect the Leaf for the moment even though there are for more in the wild, regardless of their range) How many fuel cell vehicles are in consumer hands? Can they charge at home? Do they have a nationwide refueling network?

avmich 11y ago
Pointing to existing state of affairs as an argument why this is ever more efficient is to deny the existence of progress, which is clearly wrong. Current advantage of electromobiles on the market over hydrogen cars is not important.

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TeMPOraL 11y ago

It may be in general case, but Musk earned the trust for being precise and honest - so it's more like listening to the opinion of a proven specialist in the field (with a staff full of experts behind him to call him on his mistakes).

toomuchtodo 11y ago
Nailed it.
- avmich 11y ago
  Musk is known to make predictions which fail and to make announcements which are either false or misleading. Musk does a lot - but says even more, and some of what he says robs him of trust.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    He seems to have a typical engineer problem with underestimating time, but at least is not trying to bullshit anyone; even in his "misleading" announcements he's straigth and to the point. You can see that he honestly does his best to deliver. It's a refreshing quality.
    - avmich 11y ago
      May be he doesn't know something? Elon several times praised Merlin engines - which are certainly quite impressive. But he seemingly omitted some other rocket engines which were technically even better. He's very good in delivering - and delivering a lot, but I think he still promises even more. And that's not too typical for engineers.