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I find low protein and fat and high carb diets troublesome for myself. The opposite, high fat/high protein has proven significantly better from a health perspec

I find low protein and fat and high carb diets troublesome for myself. The opposite, high fat/high protein has proven significantly better from a health perspective. I'm skeptical of what any organization tells me, especially when the majority of food companies benefit with high carb consumption. One could argue that portion size is the culprit, after all, carbs are not as satiating as fat or protein. As obesity becomes the no. 1 cost for insurance companies, I am sure they will invest in a solution to be rid of it.

noondip 11y ago
How are you determining it to be "significantly better from a health perspective"? What is your blood pressure? How do you know you don't have elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol serum? What are you eating in a high carb diet - is it whole plant-based foods, or refined and processed junk? Portion size is not the culprit; can you find a case study of an overweight plant-based vegan who does not portion control?
- gorena 11y ago
  Anyone who eats above their TDEE for an extended period will become obese, which is trivially possible on a vegan diet of french fries topped with sugar and olive oil. What does this have to do with a vegan diet? Since you're asking personal medical questions, my blood pressure/blood tests are all nominal, my RHR is ~55, and I eat a high-protein vegetarian diet, with the primary protein sources being skim greek yogurt, whey powder, eggs, tofu, edamame, and seitan. Besides that I mostly eat vegetables and noodles.
  - noondip 11y ago
    That's why I've said "plant-based vegan diet" and not "vegan diet of french fries topped with sugar and olive oil". Please post the actual numbers, as "nominal" levels in a society where it is normal to die from cardiovascular disease, for example, are not a good representation of optimal health.
    - gorena 11y ago
      Did potatoes, sugar cane, and olives stop being plants...?
      - noondip 11y ago
        A potato is not a french fry, sugar cane is not sucrose syrup, nor are olives equal to olive oil. This is why I keep saying, whole plant-based foods, i.e., unprocessed and unrefined ones.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > Anyone who eats above their TDEE for an extended period will become obese Well, they'll gain weight; whether that's muscle or fat -- and thus whether it contributes to obesity by the more significant adiposity-based standards rather than the less-meaningful BMI-based standards -- depends on other factors than whether they are consuming more calories than their TDEE.
    - gorena 11y ago
      Sorry, you're totally correct - this assumes someone that isn't performing strength-based exercise!

noondip 11y ago

How are you determining it to be "significantly better from a health perspective"? What is your blood pressure? How do you know you don't have elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol serum? What are you eating in a high carb diet - is it whole plant-based foods, or refined and processed junk? Portion size is not the culprit; can you find a case study of an overweight plant-based vegan who does not portion control?

gorena 11y ago
Anyone who eats above their TDEE for an extended period will become obese, which is trivially possible on a vegan diet of french fries topped with sugar and olive oil. What does this have to do with a vegan diet? Since you're asking personal medical questions, my blood pressure/blood tests are all nominal, my RHR is ~55, and I eat a high-protein vegetarian diet, with the primary protein sources being skim greek yogurt, whey powder, eggs, tofu, edamame, and seitan. Besides that I mostly eat vegetables and noodles.
- noondip 11y ago
  That's why I've said "plant-based vegan diet" and not "vegan diet of french fries topped with sugar and olive oil". Please post the actual numbers, as "nominal" levels in a society where it is normal to die from cardiovascular disease, for example, are not a good representation of optimal health.
  - gorena 11y ago
    Did potatoes, sugar cane, and olives stop being plants...?
    - noondip 11y ago
      A potato is not a french fry, sugar cane is not sucrose syrup, nor are olives equal to olive oil. This is why I keep saying, whole plant-based foods, i.e., unprocessed and unrefined ones.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Anyone who eats above their TDEE for an extended period will become obese Well, they'll gain weight; whether that's muscle or fat -- and thus whether it contributes to obesity by the more significant adiposity-based standards rather than the less-meaningful BMI-based standards -- depends on other factors than whether they are consuming more calories than their TDEE.
  - gorena 11y ago
    Sorry, you're totally correct - this assumes someone that isn't performing strength-based exercise!