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It's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicke

by gd1 11y ago

It's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicken are associated with the African-Caribbean population. All he's done with his analysis is used two thinly disguised proxy variables to hide his true hypothesis, which may very well be a good hypothesis but is unpalatable to discuss in public.

programmernews3 11y ago
The author of the piece should add a times series on violent crime and shootings. These should decrease with time if the area is "up and coming"...
- fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
  They might spike while gentrification is ongoing, especially in the early stages. My hypothesis for this statement is that more affluent people are: 1. More likely to be robbed (ie: they have items that others want), and 2. More likely to report crimes against them to the police. (ie: They trust the authorities, and they might need police reports to file insurance claims (affluent people are more likely to insure their property))
  - programmernews3 11y ago
    This may be true for non-violent crime. For violent crime, there is a direct correlation with black Londoners. "In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_K... This does not solely reflect lower socioeconomic standing as Pakistani + Bangladeshi communities have higher levels of poverty, and similarly poor areas of cities in Wales and Scotland do not have the same proportionate level of gun crime that occurs in London. http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml
callumlocke 11y ago
> at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all The overcautious avoidance of race as a subject does exist, but is nothing to do with left/right in my experience. I associate it with people who don't live in mixed areas, they tend to be more awkward about mentioning race and certainly aren't more left wing on average.
Cakez0r 11y ago
Even under your redefinition of racist, the article isn't racist. The author doesn't make any mention of race at all. Anybody correlating food and drink with a skin colour is projecting their own racist connotations.

by gd1 11y ago

programmernews3 11y ago

The author of the piece should add a times series on violent crime and shootings. These should decrease with time if the area is "up and coming"...

fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
They might spike while gentrification is ongoing, especially in the early stages. My hypothesis for this statement is that more affluent people are: 1. More likely to be robbed (ie: they have items that others want), and 2. More likely to report crimes against them to the police. (ie: They trust the authorities, and they might need police reports to file insurance claims (affluent people are more likely to insure their property))
- programmernews3 11y ago
  This may be true for non-violent crime. For violent crime, there is a direct correlation with black Londoners. "In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_K... This does not solely reflect lower socioeconomic standing as Pakistani + Bangladeshi communities have higher levels of poverty, and similarly poor areas of cities in Wales and Scotland do not have the same proportionate level of gun crime that occurs in London. http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml

callumlocke 11y ago

> at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all The overcautious avoidance of race as a subject does exist, but is nothing to do with left/right in my experience. I associate it with people who don't live in mixed areas, they tend to be more awkward about mentioning race and certainly aren't more left wing on average.

Cakez0r 11y ago

Even under your redefinition of racist, the article isn't racist. The author doesn't make any mention of race at all. Anybody correlating food and drink with a skin colour is projecting their own racist connotations.