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There's good on book on MH17 that was published a while ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/MH17-story-shooting-Malaysian-airliner/dp/151238660X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie

There's good on book on MH17 that was published a while ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/MH17-story-shooting-Malaysian-airliner/dp/151238660X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/MH17-story-shooting-Malaysian-airlin... It came to a similar conclusion as the dutch report, the main issue with the dutch report is it's too little to late and the government had repeatedly delayed publishing it while they searched for a way to indirectly accuse Russia. The dutch report is quite weak in that it won't take the next logical step given the evidence available and accuse Russia of ordering the downing of MH17.

TeeWEE 11y ago
The problem here is that the politics don"t want to have issues with Russia, the researches even say: 'We don"t have the mandate make accusations'... Basically the dutch goverment prevented them from accusing russia, because thats politically dangerous.
jevgeni 11y ago
Well, I think their priority was producing a watertight conclusion. The next logical step will be taken by the Dutch criminal investigation due to be completed at the end of the year and published in the beginning of 2016.
maxerickson 11y ago
ICAO investigations explicitly avoid casting blame. I guess the idea is that it is important to be able to do safety investigations even in intransigent jurisdictions: http://www.icao.int/secretariat/postalhistory/annex_13_aircraft_accident_and_incident_investigation.htm http://www.icao.int/secretariat/postalhistory/annex_13_aircr...
bkor 11y ago
The organization performing the investigation is responsible for investigating air crashes. It has to do that in an unbiased way. Now that they made their conclusions, it is up to another organization to actually find who is responsible. It's actually quite logical to split these two types out. One is about who is responsible, another is pure about what happened.
jsmeaton 11y ago
They ordered the downing? That's probably not right is it? I thought the rebels didn't realise it was a passenger plane. I don't get why Russia just doesn't say "yep, we supplied it, but we didn't fire it, too bad so sad". Russia aren't alone in supplying rebel forces with weapons.
- danmaz74 11y ago
  According to most sources, the rebels didn't have the trained personnel to use such an advanced weapon - this is no MANPAD. So, actually, it was almost for sure one of Putin's soldiers to pull the trigger.
  - ethbro 11y ago
    > So, actually, it was almost for sure one of Putin's soldiers to pull the trigger. Surely you mean the retired and very much ex-Russian Army civilians who voluntarily felt it was their civic duty to travel to a neighboring country and voluntarily engage in civil war... right, comrade?
    - panamafrank 11y ago
      no very much serving russian military personnel. get your information right.

TeeWEE 11y ago

The problem here is that the politics don"t want to have issues with Russia, the researches even say: 'We don"t have the mandate make accusations'... Basically the dutch goverment prevented them from accusing russia, because thats politically dangerous.

jevgeni 11y ago

Well, I think their priority was producing a watertight conclusion. The next logical step will be taken by the Dutch criminal investigation due to be completed at the end of the year and published in the beginning of 2016.

maxerickson 11y ago

ICAO investigations explicitly avoid casting blame. I guess the idea is that it is important to be able to do safety investigations even in intransigent jurisdictions: http://www.icao.int/secretariat/postalhistory/annex_13_aircraft_accident_and_incident_investigation.htm http://www.icao.int/secretariat/postalhistory/annex_13_aircr...

bkor 11y ago

The organization performing the investigation is responsible for investigating air crashes. It has to do that in an unbiased way. Now that they made their conclusions, it is up to another organization to actually find who is responsible. It's actually quite logical to split these two types out. One is about who is responsible, another is pure about what happened.

jsmeaton 11y ago

They ordered the downing? That's probably not right is it? I thought the rebels didn't realise it was a passenger plane. I don't get why Russia just doesn't say "yep, we supplied it, but we didn't fire it, too bad so sad". Russia aren't alone in supplying rebel forces with weapons.

danmaz74 11y ago
According to most sources, the rebels didn't have the trained personnel to use such an advanced weapon - this is no MANPAD. So, actually, it was almost for sure one of Putin's soldiers to pull the trigger.
- ethbro 11y ago
  > So, actually, it was almost for sure one of Putin's soldiers to pull the trigger. Surely you mean the retired and very much ex-Russian Army civilians who voluntarily felt it was their civic duty to travel to a neighboring country and voluntarily engage in civil war... right, comrade?
  - panamafrank 11y ago
    no very much serving russian military personnel. get your information right.