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This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.
by DannoHung 11y ago
This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.
- Paul_S 11y agoI'm not from America - care to explain?
- supercoder 11y agoBecause Koreans make great fried chicken.
- swalsh 11y agoThat wasn't the original stereotype he was describing, but koreans DO make great fried chicken. I'll take BonChon over KFC any day.
- 300bps 11y agoStereotype of African Americans is that they eat a lot of fried chicken so essentially this report would imply it is African Americans that make for a bad neighborhood.
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- programmernews3 11y agoI think you mean black people
- BossHogg 11y agoNo African American is perfectly fine.
- Turing_Machine 11y agoThe first sentence of the article begins "Whilst searching for a flat in London..." I'm pretty sure that African American is not perfectly fine in this particular context.
- jamescun 11y agoI'm not an American, but I believe they are referring to the racist meme that associates fried chicken to Americans of non-white ethnicities. This differs from the UK where fried chicken is more associated with the lower classes than a particular race.
- mahouse 11y agoAnd also coffee shops are associated to white people.
- vblord 11y agoWait. I must not have gotten the memo. I hate coffee and love fried chicken.
- mahouse 11y agohttp://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/80400530/pdf/DBrief/6_beverage_choices_adults_0708.pdf http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/80400530/pdf/DBri... >white American adults drink about three times as much coffee as blacks.
- jessaustin 11y agoWhite people with taste often have the same tastes as black people. 'Twas ever thus.
- zapu 11y agoI'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. We are talking about stereotypes here, and this is clearly a stereotype that's around - see the "hipster in coffee bar" "memes" in which portrayed people are exclusively white.
- strommen 11y agoAs Shaq says, "black people don't drink coffee" http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/shaquille-o-neal-black-people-don-drink-coffee-article-1.2360737 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/shaquille-o-...
- striking 11y agoOnly if you think of it that way... I don't think someone could legitimately be offended by this.
- mtbcoder 11y agoContext is everything. If this were featured in a US publication, the innuendo would certainly be strong.
- striking 11y agoThen people would be making mountains of molehills and Obama's speech on outrage culture would apply. Sure, people might get mad, but there wouldn't be any justification for it.
- gk1 11y agoA less suggestive alternative might be to replace fried chicken with Chinese take-out.
- devonkim 11y agoNot quite sure if that's sarcasm... In the US I would try to figure out whatever the region's blue collar / working poor's food choices might be. Usually it's big label fast food franchises but there are locality-specific ones. In the southeast where I am, barbecue places are rather common and eaten frequently yet absent from a lot of affluent communities even though it's a traditional food that's eaten across socioeconomic barriers.
- gk1 11y agoWasn't meant as sarcasm, but maybe my experience is colored by living in NYC. Chinese take-outs are common in poorer neighborhoods there. It's not difficult to find blocks that have more than one.
- AndrewKemendo 11y agoInterestingly enough, the most popular item on Chinese take-out menus (General Tso's Chicken) is fried chicken with sugary glaze. If you combine the most popular American Chinese dishes which are fried chicken (Sesame Chicken, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Orange Chicken) into one group then you could consider American Chinese food basically just fried chicken shops. [1]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/data-reveals-most-popular-chinese-dish-america-n299576 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/data-reveals-most-...
- plonh 11y agoThere is a trend across the US mall food courts of Chinese quickserve shops evolving into pairs of such along side "Cajun" shops selling essentially the same food. But still, American "fried chicken" really implies "on the bone"
- gd1 11y agoIt's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicken are associated with the African-Caribbean population. All he's done with his analysis is used two thinly disguised proxy variables to hide his true hypothesis, which may very well be a good hypothesis but is unpalatable to discuss in public.
- programmernews3 11y agoThe author of the piece should add a times series on violent crime and shootings. These should decrease with time if the area is "up and coming"...
- fnordfnordfnord 11y agoThey might spike while gentrification is ongoing, especially in the early stages. My hypothesis for this statement is that more affluent people are: 1. More likely to be robbed (ie: they have items that others want), and 2. More likely to report crimes against them to the police. (ie: They trust the authorities, and they might need police reports to file insurance claims (affluent people are more likely to insure their property))
- programmernews3 11y agoThis may be true for non-violent crime. For violent crime, there is a direct correlation with black Londoners. "In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_K... This does not solely reflect lower socioeconomic standing as Pakistani + Bangladeshi communities have higher levels of poverty, and similarly poor areas of cities in Wales and Scotland do not have the same proportionate level of gun crime that occurs in London. http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml
- callumlocke 11y ago
- myth_buster 11y agoHere [0] is an analysis from America. [0] http://i.imgur.com/OGDWGbN.png http://i.imgur.com/OGDWGbN.png
- ngoel36 11y agoWalmarts can be 3-10x the size of Whole Foods - that's not quite fair...
- ghaff 11y agoI daresay there are aspects of both income distribution and other factors that favor or disfavor big box stores generally. No, a Walmarts footprint probably doesn't work for San Francisco proper but that doesn't really explain the relative lack of Walmarts in the Silicon Valley sprawl compared to the East Bay.
- amyjess 11y ago...and then you go to Dallas where you typically have a Walmart in walking distance of a Whole Foods or Central Market.
- unethical_ban 11y agoThis analysis would be perceived by hyper-sensitive Liberals as racist, even if it had validity to its claim. And in the next breath they would lament the lack of "real conversations" we're having in the country.
- rockmeamedee 11y agoI don't think it would be. Yes, the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters. But that's actually what happens with gentrification. Diverse neighbourhoods get plowed over with rich white people. Using race in an analysis doesn't make it racist. OP saying they wouldn't want to live in the places with fried chicken, in the context above (KFC->black people) would be. I'd say the piece itself rides the line. It has a sarcastic tone throughout the piece, more of a "let's find out where the gentrification is" than "let's go live there".
- oneJob 11y agoHere's to hoping that you're just trolling. Your reply injects very specific racial and socio-economic biases as if they were already assumed and understood. Which, in this context, is basically racism.
- plonh 11y agoHow can you accuse parent of injecting biases, when the parent was reacting to the claim of racism?
- oneJob 11y agoI spent one sentence (the middle one) out of the three sentences in my reply explaining why I thought it could be (please note, "could be", as in, I did not say it was, as in, I did not accuse) interpreted as such. My reasoning was perfectly explicit and plain.
- Cakez0r 11y agoBecause the parent comment stated "Yes, the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters" as if it were a matter of fact. The blog post makes no mention of skin colour at all (that I can see) and the racial connotations are entirely those of the parent - hence injecting racial bias.
- djtriptych 11y ago
- lucasnemeth 11y agoThis analysis is tremendously racist. period.
- michaelbuddy 11y agoNo you make it racist. To the clearheaded its just reality.
- jrock08 11y agoHe's literally using fried chicken as an extremely thinly veiled way of measuring the number of black people in an area. This is a good article on why "fried chicken" when paired with other things can be racist. [1] Since "up and coming" is basically code for gentrifying, it shouldn't be that hard to see why this is actually racist. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/heres-why-your-fried-chicken-and-watermelon-lunch-racist/357814/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/heres-wh...
- Cakez0r 11y agoHe's literally not. Your article says that fried chicken is racist because people keep assuming that black people eat fried chicken. And here you are assuming that when someone says "fried chicken" they actually mean "black people". You're doing exactly what the article you linked is condemning.
- michaelbuddy 11y agoYup. This is the kind of person you run into of among gen-x gen-y and millennial neo-hipsters. Calling others racist while connecting dots that really just reveals their own bias. Same kind of person that claims 'systemic' racism everywhere when really they themselves treat or refer to minorities as needing special coddling. Immediately when someone uses 'gentrifying' in a conversation you find they are the racist when you start boiling them down. They are the worst kind because they think they are some protector class of minorities but they are just full of themselves and like to keep token friends but as soon as they earn a dollar are just as apt to move in our out of a neighborhood. In other words they don't want to believe what's both in front of and behind their own eyes.
- MisterBastahrd 11y agoIt's racist anywhere. The vast majority of restaurants serving chicken nuggets, which is what was tracked, are burger joints, not chicken shacks. Author knows exactly what he's doing.