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His points really are not reasonable at all. He's completely ignoring that humans are generally pretty bad at driving cars and implying that AI driven cars need

by Lewton 11y ago

His points really are not reasonable at all. He's completely ignoring that humans are generally pretty bad at driving cars and implying that AI driven cars need to be perfect before they should be replacing humans. If we banned human driving today and replaced it with the current tech (which probably isn't near being ready for actual use), we would still be far better off than we are now.

snowwrestler 11y ago
Where's the evidence to support this sentiment? I see it all the time and it looks to me that people just take it on faith that computers will be better. I mean, here on HN, discussions of computing products like phones and operating systems are full of complaints large and small about problems, shortcomings, etc. Are there any programmers here who think their product is bug-free and safely survives all edge cases? There just seems to be a huge mismatch between how people think about computers they use today, and computers they expect to drive their car in the near future. But it all comes out of the same companies and software development processes. I also don't think people know the stats on car safety. The injury rate is 75 per 100 million miles traveled. About 35,000 people died from vehicle accidents in 2013. That sounds like a lot, but more people died from the flu, or from falls, than died from cars. I won't deny that vehicle travel is dangerous, but the question is why we think computers would be better at it than humans, who are already pretty darn good at it.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  Humans aren't pretty good at it, and we know the problems we have are exactly the parts where machines are already stronger than us. We also have some good deployments of automated technology, notably in air travel, which is flying on decades old technology anyway. > I mean, here on HN, discussions of computing products like phones and operating systems are full of complaints large and small about problems, shortcomings, etc. Are there any programmers here who think their product is bug-free and safely survives all edge cases? The problems with phones and operating systems are often not because of engineers, but because of businessmen. Especially phones and webdev - you can often trace the problems back to decision made in order to increase sales or save money. Most phone vendors ship shitty UIs and buggy devices not because they have bad engineers.

by Lewton 11y ago

snowwrestler 11y ago

Where's the evidence to support this sentiment? I see it all the time and it looks to me that people just take it on faith that computers will be better. I mean, here on HN, discussions of computing products like phones and operating systems are full of complaints large and small about problems, shortcomings, etc. Are there any programmers here who think their product is bug-free and safely survives all edge cases? There just seems to be a huge mismatch between how people think about computers they use today, and computers they expect to drive their car in the near future. But it all comes out of the same companies and software development processes. I also don't think people know the stats on car safety. The injury rate is 75 per 100 million miles traveled. About 35,000 people died from vehicle accidents in 2013. That sounds like a lot, but more people died from the flu, or from falls, than died from cars. I won't deny that vehicle travel is dangerous, but the question is why we think computers would be better at it than humans, who are already pretty darn good at it.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
Humans aren't pretty good at it, and we know the problems we have are exactly the parts where machines are already stronger than us. We also have some good deployments of automated technology, notably in air travel, which is flying on decades old technology anyway. > I mean, here on HN, discussions of computing products like phones and operating systems are full of complaints large and small about problems, shortcomings, etc. Are there any programmers here who think their product is bug-free and safely survives all edge cases? The problems with phones and operating systems are often not because of engineers, but because of businessmen. Especially phones and webdev - you can often trace the problems back to decision made in order to increase sales or save money. Most phone vendors ship shitty UIs and buggy devices not because they have bad engineers.