> You also disregard nationalism, patriotism, and the ability of the intelligence community to groom targets which they've perfected into an art form. I'm not

> You also disregard nationalism, patriotism, and the ability of the intelligence community to groom targets which they've perfected into an art form. I'm not saying those things don't exist or that the NSA is incapable of hiring competent people, I'm disputing your claim that the NSA has a 'monopoly' on recruiting the best and brightest. I've seen no significant correlation in my personal experiences between skill in mathematics and patriotism.