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We don't know the situation of the vehicle. Maybe backing up was the only reasonable way to escape from what the journalist thought was a dangerous situation.

We don't know the situation of the vehicle. Maybe backing up was the only reasonable way to escape from what the journalist thought was a dangerous situation. No Idea if this is true, just playing devils advocate in the interest of preventing a digital lynch mob.

thoman23 11y ago
Sorry, I can appreciate some devil's advocacy, but I'm just not buying it here. Assuming the Tesla employee was unarmed (which I think is a safe assumption), then there's nothing potentially dangerous enough to justify running someone over rather than wait the few minutes for law enforcement to arrive. Even if you think you are being falsely imprisoned, I don't think you are justified in running someone over rather than wait a few minutes for law enforcement if you are not in immediate danger.
- sandworm101 11y ago
  You are assuming that the 'running someone over' was deliberate. We don't have enough information for such determinations. It may have been accidental, or more likely criminally negligent, but we shouldn't assume deliberate attack without all the facts.
  - Natsu 11y ago
    We do have them hitting two different people on two different occasions. That's not iron-clad by any means, but it is evidence that weighs against the accident theory. One detail is that Tesla alleges that they 'accelerated' in reverse. This is completely abnormal and if it can be corroborated by the physical evidence, it will be very troublesome for the driver. Further, I have to believe that Tesla has no shortage of people who know about accident reconstruction and who can determine the idle speed & mass of the jeep and compare that with the force needed to cause skid marks or to have knocked the employee whatever distance. If they were to do that, it would be very interesting because we all know just how skilled their engineers are, from Elon on down.
sandworm101 11y ago
The escape re trespassing is an interesting point. If a guard tells someone to leave, fleeing is a form of leaving. I could see a defense attorney argue that they were not trespassing post-confrontation as they attempted to leave as soon as they were told so to do. It's a vicious argument, but that's what they are for.

thoman23 11y ago

Sorry, I can appreciate some devil's advocacy, but I'm just not buying it here. Assuming the Tesla employee was unarmed (which I think is a safe assumption), then there's nothing potentially dangerous enough to justify running someone over rather than wait the few minutes for law enforcement to arrive. Even if you think you are being falsely imprisoned, I don't think you are justified in running someone over rather than wait a few minutes for law enforcement if you are not in immediate danger.

sandworm101 11y ago
You are assuming that the 'running someone over' was deliberate. We don't have enough information for such determinations. It may have been accidental, or more likely criminally negligent, but we shouldn't assume deliberate attack without all the facts.
- Natsu 11y ago
  We do have them hitting two different people on two different occasions. That's not iron-clad by any means, but it is evidence that weighs against the accident theory. One detail is that Tesla alleges that they 'accelerated' in reverse. This is completely abnormal and if it can be corroborated by the physical evidence, it will be very troublesome for the driver. Further, I have to believe that Tesla has no shortage of people who know about accident reconstruction and who can determine the idle speed & mass of the jeep and compare that with the force needed to cause skid marks or to have knocked the employee whatever distance. If they were to do that, it would be very interesting because we all know just how skilled their engineers are, from Elon on down.

sandworm101 11y ago

The escape re trespassing is an interesting point. If a guard tells someone to leave, fleeing is a form of leaving. I could see a defense attorney argue that they were not trespassing post-confrontation as they attempted to leave as soon as they were told so to do. It's a vicious argument, but that's what they are for.