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Those are different classes of "mass killings", Wikipedians aren't going to collect all the cases of where 4 or more people were killed, and my postings were no

by hga 11y ago

Those are different classes of "mass killings", Wikipedians aren't going to collect all the cases of where 4 or more people were killed, and my postings were not intended to discuss scale, just to refute the lie that this is a uniquely American phenomenon with 2000-~2012 examples. Which is not quite what you claimed, you said "overwhelmingly", and that's sufficiently vague I suspect it's a debatable point. Paywall stops me from the WSJ article, but I know that people who study this sort of thing that I trust have said at minimum the FBI's recent study was bunk, and that's enough for me on this topic.

DanBC 11y ago
You tell me what you're counting as a mass killing, and then I can show you how that event is overwhelmingly something that happens in the US. You've pointed to less than two events per year for Europe for this century. How about six people killed? There have been 13 events in the US where six people were shot and killed since Jan 1 2013. You're wrong anyway. From your own post: > De Gelder, Kim, 20, Jan. 16/23,, 2009, Belgium, 4, 12 > Bosse, Bastian, 18, Nov. 20, 2006, Germany, 0, 22 > Radmacher, Sabine, 41, Sep. 19, 2010, Germany, 3, 18 (arson was also used) > Sacco, Angelo Secondo, 54, June 28, 2005, Italy, 3, 9 Numbers killed: 4, zero, 3, and 3. Wikipedians are going to list every event that happens in Europe, because these events are so rare. They are by definition news worthy, which provides a lot of reliable sources. But US mass shootings are so common that they hardly make the news. The fact that you dismiss an event where 15 people were shot but not killed as not being relevant, or you dismiss events where 4 people or more are killed as not being mass killings is a sign that this conversation is pointless: you're blind to the facts. > this is a uniquely American I didn't say uniquely, I said overwhelmingly. It is overwhelmingly a US problem. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/0...
- donw 11y ago
  That article cites 'shootingtracker.com' as a source, which is a known-false propaganda site, as it includes accidents with airsoft guns in their list of "mass shootings". I have been shot by an airsoft gun. It stung a bit. Since January 1st, 2013, Wikipedia shows six mass killings in the United States, two in China, and four in continental Europe.

by hga 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago

You tell me what you're counting as a mass killing, and then I can show you how that event is overwhelmingly something that happens in the US. You've pointed to less than two events per year for Europe for this century. How about six people killed? There have been 13 events in the US where six people were shot and killed since Jan 1 2013. You're wrong anyway. From your own post: > De Gelder, Kim, 20, Jan. 16/23,, 2009, Belgium, 4, 12 > Bosse, Bastian, 18, Nov. 20, 2006, Germany, 0, 22 > Radmacher, Sabine, 41, Sep. 19, 2010, Germany, 3, 18 (arson was also used) > Sacco, Angelo Secondo, 54, June 28, 2005, Italy, 3, 9 Numbers killed: 4, zero, 3, and 3. Wikipedians are going to list every event that happens in Europe, because these events are so rare. They are by definition news worthy, which provides a lot of reliable sources. But US mass shootings are so common that they hardly make the news. The fact that you dismiss an event where 15 people were shot but not killed as not being relevant, or you dismiss events where 4 people or more are killed as not being mass killings is a sign that this conversation is pointless: you're blind to the facts. > this is a uniquely American I didn't say uniquely, I said overwhelmingly. It is overwhelmingly a US problem. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/0...

donw 11y ago
That article cites 'shootingtracker.com' as a source, which is a known-false propaganda site, as it includes accidents with airsoft guns in their list of "mass shootings". I have been shot by an airsoft gun. It stung a bit. Since January 1st, 2013, Wikipedia shows six mass killings in the United States, two in China, and four in continental Europe.